What is the difference between the visible and the invisible church? The Westminster Confession of Faith says that the "catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that fills all in all." Today our guest helps us better understand this. If the invisible church are basically those who are truly saved and are known by God, then what is the "visible" church then? Again, the Confession explains that to the "visible Church Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto." We also talk about Christian conversion and what is entailed. Finally, we briefly discuss the objective beauty of creeds and why they are helpful to the church. Our guest serves as a full time professor in the Department of Biblical and Religious Studies at Grove City College. Participants: Dr. Carl Trueman, Dan Elmendorf