What is the difference between the visible and invisible church? The Apostle Paul's statement: "Christ gave Himself for the body;" Reminds us that there is both an individual dimension and a corporate dimension in the atonement of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians could say that if you reject the body of Christ, you have rejected the head. It is an anomaly to claim that you are related to the head and not the body. Towards the end of our discussion we again look briefly at the bizarre and dangerous teachings of Harold Camping. Participants: Dr. John Vance, Rev. Mark Diedrich, Dan Elmendorf