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In this episode, Darren and Marc are joined by Dan Grøndahl and Emma Dahl-Jeppesen.

Emma and Dan advocate for a product-driven approach to platform engineering, with clear boundaries and purpose to prevent team burnout—a shift from traditional, sometimes ambiguous DevOps roles.

They humorously explore “10 things we hate about platform engineering,” touching on issues like the build vs. buy dilemma and the risk of rebranding DevOps teams without adopting true platform practices.

They also stress the importance of intentional, user-centered approaches, and Marc highlights the challenge of avoiding "leaking abstractions" that overburden developers.

With Emma’s “annoyance-driven development” tip, encouraging asking “why” to uncover user needs, the session wraps up with anticipation for deeper discussions at The DevOps Conference: https://www.thedevopsconference.com/?utm_campaign=The%20DEVOPS%20Conference%2022&utm_source=Podcast

Check out our ultimate guide to platform engineering: https://www.eficode.com/platform-engineering