For too long, programmers have had the stereotype of being cooped away in their dungeons never to see the light of day. But we trekked all the way over to Barcelona to not only check out Integrated Systems Europe 2023, but record an episode of A State of Control! Maybe the programmer's image is still with us, being crammed into the recording booth at the Influencer's Lounge. Even so, we are joined by co-host and presenter for AVNation during ISE Rich Fregosa, and Product Manager for AtlasIED Chris Deatrick.

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