This is the complete audio of my Sunday Conversation with Casey Michel, a journalist, the director of the Combating Kleptocracy Program with the Human Rights Foundation, and the author of the new book Foreign Agents: How American Lobbyists and Lawmakers Threaten Democracy Around the World.

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