This episode features a conversation between Ellen Brown and Carter Williams about the systemic issues within the food and health industries. They discuss the interconnectedness of the food system, from soil to cell, and argue for a more holistic approach to improving health outcomes. Their conversation explores the need for systemic redesign, drawing parallels to engineering and aircraft accident investigations, to create a more nutritious and affordable food system. They highlight examples of companies successfully integrating various stages of the food chain and emphasize the potential of data-driven approaches to improve both individual and population health. Ultimately, they advocate for a comprehensive, systems-level approach to address the current health crisis.

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