Third-grade teacher Caralee Thomason and college professor Bill Wayenberg join Kevin Jensen for an in-depth conversation on their experiences as educators during the COVID-19 pandemic. Topics range from teachers' learning curve in online communication technologies to how the pandemic has highlighted the gap between the haves and have-nots in the public school system, and from there to the latest expectations for what education might look like next fall. Recorded June 11, 2020.