Sean Maw and Ryan Banow make good things happen with whatever they touch. In this episode we hear about inTREEg, a group Sean developed and they both support to share ideas about teaching that has evolved into a SoTL mini-community. And they talk with us about some outstanding design research they've done in SoTL, creating and studying a virtual reality environment to teach about trusses in engineering. For a complete presentation of results, go to https://tinyurl.com/maw-banow2020