Barry Bowen from the Trinity Foundation in Texas (trinity.fi.org) joins me today as a TV evangelist investigator and researcher, reporter and journalist to discuss Natalie Moses's case from a US point of view. 

Ms Moses's allegations include shuffling money on off to the US and Barry talks us through some of the  the ramifications of what this means. 

Then we have a little chat about What Would Carl Lentz Do next? 

It's super great. Enjoy and just leave Hillsong as soon as you can if you haven't already. Please?

Come chat. This is just incredible!

Producer: Kimberly Robinson

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