There is a lot of money behind keeping corruption difficult to track, but there are also plenty of folks working hard to build better tools for tracking it.

The only problem is that exposing it can be extremely dangerous.

In this episode from 2 years ago, we sit with Irene Tello Arista and chat about how to define corruption, the systemic pressures that allow it to take hold, and discuss how grand corruption and petty corruption are different not only in scale but in methods.

We cover a bit of Irene's background in Mexico starting an NGO to uncover corruption networks, human behavior more generally, and how corruption looks different in different places.

Full show notes on the website