Nate chats to Jeff, a brother from another mother and musician under Goodspace. He talks about not holding onto work and it not being too precious, as there is a lifetime of art to create. Self-promotion and reimagining his relationship with social media and learning to make it fun for himself. He shares how Vipassana is the anchor for his creative work and creating music that comes from a place of acceptance rather than suffering. And we share stories of blending in and standing out while growing up as Chinese in New Zealand.

Spotify: Goodspace
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