Barnaby Joyce’s appearance at a New South Wales rally against sex-selective abortion sparked a furious media reaction, but one ABC interview with Patricia Karvelas revealed more than expected. In this episode, Dr Jo and James unpack the framing, the claims, the data, and the political panic surrounding One Nation, abortion law, and the proposed NSW ban. Was this really journalism, or another attempt to smear anyone challenging the abortion consensus? From awkward deflections to misunderstood social media posts, this interview became a revealing case study in media bias, political pressure, and what happens when the facts do not fit.

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