Join Mickey and Matt for a fascinating conversation with Flat Earth researcher, Patrick Gunnels. Patrick has spent considerable time examining the assumptions behind modern cosmology and Earth science.

Today's conversation is not about convincing you what to believe, but about stress-testing ideas we usually take for granted, examining how evidence is interpreted, and understanding why intelligent people can arrive at different conclusions from the same data.

Whether you agree or disagree, we hope you find this a challenging and thought-provoking conversation!

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