In this episode of the Academic and the Activist, Jenny and Amanda cue up something amazing for listeners. An interview with Kate Graham, political scientist and producer of the podcast "No Second Chances", followed by Amanda's favourite episode of that podcast, "Making a Run for it," where we get to hear from former Canadian first ministers about their decision to run for leadership. We are sure you will love this podcast, and we are sure you will want to binge the rest of it immediately. #happylistening