According To B

What if becoming the person who gets to live your dream life starts long before the dream actually arrives?

Zithobe Macheli has transformed more than one area of her life-from dropping out of university to betting on herself as a content creator, healing her relationship with her skin and body, building her confidence, and ultimately creating a life that once existed only in her imagination.

This week, she pulls up a chair at the A2B Café to talk about the inner work behind the outer transformation.

We get into self-concept, journalling, shadow work, learning to see yourself differently, taking inspired action and what it really means to become the kind of person capable of building the life you want.

Because sometimes the biggest glow-up isn't the life changing around you-it's the person you become along the way.

🥂 This episode of According to B is powered by Bernini.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00- Coming up

01:46- Intro 

04:27- Bokang introduces Zithobe to A2B 

05:42- Game: The starter- for the plot

16:40- The main: The conversation

16:55- Zithobe’s fondest memory that indicated she would become the creative she is today

19:29- The significance of the support Zithobe received from her parents 

21:28- Zithobe on being the first woman in her bloodline to pursue creativity

22:49- Zithobe’s university journey

27:13- What happened when Zithobe decided to leave university

32:29- Zithobe on reading back her 2020 journals 

36:09- How Zithobe closed the gap between where she was vs where she is now

38:59- How Zithobe was able to evolve beyond being a beauty creator

40:12- The biggest difference between the person who wrote in the journals vs the person living in it

41:44- Being the first woman in Zithobe’s lineage to build a 7 figure business

43:25- Some of the other work Zithobe does

45:31- What Zithobe has had to learn the hard way in business

48:12- Zithobe’s relationship with money

51:41- Zithobe on what was expected of her when it comes to love

56:18- The traditional things vs the non-traditional ones Zithobe believes in

59:06- Zithobe’s perspective on whether she wants marriage or not

01:00:56- Zithobe’s ideal kind of love

01:04:52- What Zithobe hopes future generations will continue to inherit

01:06:51- Dessert: Zithobe recieves her Bernini bag 

01:07:26- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang 

➜ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za -https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za 

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

➜ Instagram: @zithobemacheli-https://www.instagram.com/zithobemacheli

➜Tik Tok: @zithobemacheli-https://www.tiktok.com/@zithobemacheli 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Videography: Shutter Scope

Post Production: Thapelo Mogashoa

Whoever convinced women that life peaks in their twenties has some explaining to do. 😭

Because if you ask us? The thirties are kind of giving.

This week, Nandipha Mqoco pulls up a chair at the A2B Café for a conversation about getting older, getting hotter, getting clearer on who you are and why there is so much more life waiting for women on the other side of 30.

We talk about the freedom that comes with knowing yourself better, our changing relationships with our bodies, style, confidence, friendship, career and the pressure women feel to have life “figured out” by a certain age.

And because we're still lover girls around here, we also get into love, dating and what romance looks like when you're older, wiser and perhaps a little less willing to entertain nonsense. 😂

Think Sex and the City, Girlfriends, Insecure-except this time, we’re the women in our thirties we grew up watching.

🥂 This episode of According to B is powered by Bernini.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

01:00- Coming up

02:23- Intro 

05:08- Bokang introduces Nandipha to A2B 

06:10- Game: The starter- for the plot

17:50- The main: The conversation

18:17- How Nandipha felt on the lead up to 30

24:44- What Nandipha thought 30 would look like vs the reality

32:27- Nandipha on the importance of living alone

40:31- Nandipha’s approach to love in her 30s vs her 20s

46:59- Nnadipha’s concerns about millennials and their inability to understand consent

48:37- How Nandipha’s decision to date differently has affected who she can date

49:50- Nandipha’s celibacy journey

56:53- How dating changed for Nandipha changed when sex was off the table

01:00:03- Other forms of intimacy that Nandipha enjoys

01:04:13- What 20 year old Nandipha would be surprised by

01:05:45- What Nandipha would tell 20 year old her about navigating the 20’s

01:07:19- Dessert: Nandipha is gifted her Bernini tote bag

01:08:03- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang 

➜ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za -https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za 

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

➜ Instagram: @nandipha_mqoco-https://www.instagram.com/nandipha_mqoco-

➜Tik Tok:@nandipha_mqoco-https://www.tiktok.com/@nandipha_mqoco 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Videography: Shutter Scope

Post Production: Palesa Radebe

What happens when you get everything you worked for… and realise you might not want it anymore?

Bonge Gumede spent years building the dream. She left university to bet on herself, poured everything into becoming a full-time fitness creator and eventually built the career she had imagined — a global audience, six-figure earnings, major opportunities and even the chance to live abroad.

Then, at what should have felt like the height of it all, she walked away.

In this episode, Bonge takes us through the build, the cage and the unbecoming: the relentless work it took to create her career, what achieving her goals revealed about her relationship with productivity and success, and the six-month sabbatical that changed everything.

We talk about faith, ambition, burnout, family, fitness, social media, learning how to be still and the role God played in completely redefining Bonge’s understanding of womanhood, worth and what she wants her life to be built around.

Sometimes changing your life isn’t about chasing a bigger dream. Sometimes it’s having the courage to question the one you already achieved.

🥂 This episode of According to B is powered by Bernini.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

01:00- Coming up

01:48- Intro 

04:08- Bokang introduces Bonge to A2B 

04:42- Game: The starter- for the plot

17:50- The main: The conversation

18:14- What made Bonge begin her content creation journey

21:35- How content creation became a job for Bonge

23:59-The sacrifices the Bonge had to make to build her career

29:48- The peak and success of Bonge’s career

28:01- Bonge’s move to Dubai

29:47- The turning point

31:53- 2025:The year God humbled Bonge

36:13- What it was about the fitness industry and social media that wasn’t aligning

41:05- Bonge on stepping back and slowing down

45:49- The aspects of Bonge’s life that grewin the slowing down

53:51- How Bonge’s relationship with fitness and her body has changed

58:33- How Bonge defines success now

01:01:58- Younger Bonge vs who Bonge is now

01:06:24- Dessert: Bonge is gifted her Bernini tote bag

01:07:08- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang 

➜ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za -https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za 

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Videography: Shutter Scope

Post Production: Palesa Radebe

What happens when you stop building your life around the milestones you were told you should want  and start asking what you actually want instead?

Travel creator and digital anthropologist Popi Sibiya has built a life defined by curiosity, adventure and a willingness to take the road less travelled — literally.

Over drinks at the A2B Café, Popi and I talk about the choices that have shaped the life she lives today: travel, freedom, home, relationships, marriage, being child-free, taking risks and deciding what “enough” looks like when you’re not following the traditional blueprint.

We get into what she was really searching for when she first started travelling, whether constant movement can ever become another comfort zone, the things she's learned about herself from seeing the world, and what it means to build a life that actually feels like your own.

Because maybe there isn’t one right way to do womanhood. Maybe the real adventure is figuring out yours.

🥂 This episode of According to B is powered by Bernini.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

01:00- Coming up

01:18- Intro

02:44- Bokang introduces Popi to A2B

03:41- Game: The starter- for the plot

22:31- The main: The conversation

23:14- Who Popi was before the content

25:12- Why Popi chose to teach english in China

26:20- What prompted Popi to leave China and move back home

29:48- The moment Popi realised being a travel creator could be a job

33:22- How Popi decided to monetize her content

34:50- Popi on comparing her life with other peoples

37:20- Popi’s perspective on romantic relationships, marriage and kids

48:03- Popi on whether she believes the man she wants exists

51:12- Popi on living her dream life

51:55- The realities of being a travel creator

53:26- How sustainable The Popi Show is right now

56:58- Advice for corporate version of Popi

57:55- Popi’s message for the woman who doesn’t know what the next looks like

59:48- Dessert:Popi is gifted her Bernini tote bag

01:01:01-Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang 

➜ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za -https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za 

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Popi

➜ Instagram:@popi_sibiya-

-https://www.instagram.com/popi_sibiya

➜TikTok: @popi_sibiya- https://www.tiktok.com/@popi_sibiya 

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7b...

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...

Castbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/id5426930?...

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Videography: Shutter Scope

Post Production: Palesa Radebe

Shudufhadzo Musida has never been afraid to dream beyond what seems realistic. From entering Miss South Africa when she never considered herself a “pageant girl,” to eventually wearing the crown, pursuing her studies at Columbia University and living out a New York dream she first imagined as a little girl Shudu’s life is proof of just how far a dream can take you.

But big dreams can also require big sacrifices.

In our first conversation at the A2B Café, Shudu and I talk about keeping a dream alive when your circumstances give you no evidence that it’s possible, refusing to choose between your ambitions, the years of work behind the achievements we celebrate, and the time, relationships and rest that can sometimes be sacrificed along the way.

We also get into what happens when you finally find yourself living inside a life your younger self once dreamed about — and have to give yourself permission to dream even bigger.

🥂 This episode of According to B is powered by Bernini.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

01:26- Coming up

01:27- Intro

04:58- Bokang introduces Shudu to A2B

06:48- Game: The starter- for the plot

19:25- The main: The conversation

20:06- Where Shudu’s New York dream started

24:36- Shudu on immersing herself into New York

28:53- What encouraged Shudu to keep dreaming big

31:35- Shudu on her first time applying to Columbia University

39:20- The Miss South Africa last minute entry

43:49- Shudu on navigating her mental health during Miss SA and her studies

50:28- The planned and unplanned dreams Shudu has achieved

54:08- The cost of achieving the dream

57:26- Shudu’s relationship with rest

01:02:29- Shudu’s pockets of joy in the busyness

01:10:34- Shudu’s advice to anyone that feels like their big dream is impossible

01:15:23- Unconventional desert: Shudu receives her Bernini bag

01:16:44- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang 

➜ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za -https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za 

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Shudu

➜ Instagram: @shudufhadzomusida-

-https://www.instagram.com/shudufhadzomusida

➜TikTok: @shudumusida-  https://www.tiktok.com/@shudumusida

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7b...

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...

Castbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/id5426930?...

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Videography: Shutter Scope

Post Production: Palesa Radebe

This episode of According To B is in partnership with Bernini - the sparkling spritzer born from real wine.

Who are you beyond praise? Beyond approval? Beyond productivity?

This conversation is for the woman who has always done what was expected - and is now asking deeper questions. 

I sit down with Ursula Mariani and together, we explore what it means to outgrow versions of yourself that once kept you safe. From discipline and achievement to faith, conditioning, and authorship, Ursula shares how intellectual curiosity and emotional honesty can coexist - and how real freedom begins when you stop performing and start choosing.

Subscribe to The B Word here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBWord?su... 

✰ MEET OUR CO-HOST ✰

Ursula

Ursula Mariani is a lecturer, PHD candidate voice-over artist, and the host of the podcast: The Conversation Capital, where she explores the power of dialogue as currency-in relationships, leadership, and identity. Known for her clarity of thought and grounded presence, Ursula has become a trusted voice in conversations around womanhood, conditioning, faith, and personal authorship.

Her work sits at the intersection of intellect and introspection. Whether she’s in a lecture hall, behind a microphone, or leading nuanced discussions online, Ursula is committed to helping women question inherited expectations and consciously choose who they want to become.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00 - Intro

03:23 - Meet Ursula

05:59 - Game: Toast or Ghost

19:51 - Ursula on being a good girl growing up

25:20 - The parts of herself Ursula left unexplored as a result of being a good girl

27:09 - Dilemma

34:11 - Ursula on growing into being independent and self-possessed

36:39 - Ursula on honouring parents without living according to their will

41:09 - The things Ursula has had to unlearn in the process of shedding 

43:10 - The parts of herself that Ursula is only discovering now

45:09 - The part of herself that Ursula is excited to step into more 

47:52 - What younger Ursula would think of her now

50:14 - Ursula receives her Breathe It In box

51:16 - Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-  / https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang   

➜ Tik Tok:@sheisbokang-  https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za - https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza- https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Ursula

➜ Instagram: @ursulamariani  -https://www.instagram.com/ursulamariani 

➜TikTok: @ursulamariani- https://www.tiktok.com/@ursulamariani 

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7bUlKg3TQS6LWZpZE?si=ad35431e1c1a474d 

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/bw/podcast/according-to-b/id1686532135 

Castbox:https://castbox.fm/vh/5426930 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Director: Bokang Lehlokoe

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Production Assistant: Senamile Dlamini

Videography: Looped Pictures  

Post Production: Looped Pictures

This episode of According to B is brought to you in partnership with Bernini-the sparkling spritzer born from real wine. 

What would the younger version of you think of your life today?

In this episode, Gaisang Noge and I reflect on growth, dreams, disappointment, patience, and staying true to yourself in an industry and a world that often asks you to become someone else.

This conversation is for anyone learning to trust their timing and honour their becoming.

Subscribe to The B Word here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBWord?su... 

✰ MEET OUR CO-HOST ✰

Gaisang

Gaisang Noge is a South African actress, media personality, and creative whose work reflects depth, versatility, and authenticity. Known for her powerful performances on screen, she brings emotional nuance and relatability to every role she inhabits- earning her recognition as one of her generation’s compelling talents.

Beyond the spotlight, Gaisang’s journey is one of resilience, patience, and self-belief. From navigating rejection to trusting the timing of her dreams, she represents the woman who keeps going-even when the path feels uncertain. Her presence is both playful and grounded, proof that ambition and authenticity can coexist.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00 - Intro

02:25 - Meet Gaisang

04:03 - Game: Toast or Ghost

13:25 - Bokang surprises Gaisang with a 2016 throwback

15:34 - Gaisang on losing and finding herself again

21:03 - Gaisang on making her dream a reality

22:51 - Gaisang’s first experience on set 

26:33 - What kept Gaisang going in the waiting

27:02 - The lesson God taught Gaisang before opening the doors

31:13 - Gaisang on avoiding the pressure to always perform

33:42 - The one thing that Gaisang is doing now, for future her 

38:05 - Gaisang’s first half marathon 

42:24 -Gaisang receives her Breathe It In box 

43:22- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-  / https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang   

➜ Tik Tok:@sheisbokang-  https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za - https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza- https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Gaisang

➜ Instagram: @ms_noge  -https://www.instagram.com/ms_noge 

➜TikTok: @ms_noge7-https://www.tiktok.com/@ms_noge7

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7bUlKg3TQS6LWZpZE?si=ad35431e1c1a474d 

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/bw/podcast/according-to-b/id1686532135 

Castbox:https://castbox.fm/vh/5426930 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Director: Bokang Lehlokoe

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Production Assistant: Senamile Dlamini

Videography: Looped Pictures  

Post Production: Looped Pictures

Dating yourself doesn’t mean you’ve given up on love. It means you’ve decided to show up for your own life with intention. In this episode, lifestyle creator and podcaster Gugulethu Nyatsumba returns to the podcast for a grounded, honest conversation about what “dating yourself” really looks like beyond the quotes.

We explore:

• The difference between being alone and living fully

• Solo dates, confidence, and emotional independence

• How your relationship with yourself shapes every other relationship

• Dating yourself while still desiring partnership

If you’re learning how to enjoy your own company, build standards, and live with presence - this conversation is for you.

Subscribe to The B Word here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBWord?su... 

✰ MEET OUR CO-HOST ✰

Gugulethu

Gugulethu Nyatsumba popularly known as Sis G.U is a lifestyle content creator, podcaster, and digital storyteller known for her grounded presence and intentional approach to living. Through her platform, she shares reflections on faith, self-trust, solitude, and what it means to move through life at your own pace-without rushing to perform or impress.

Her content resonates because it feels honest, Gugu embodies a quiet confidence rooted in self-awareness and emotional maturity. She represents a generation of women redefining independence- not as isolation, but as security within oneself.

Through her work, she invites women to romanticise their own lives, embrace stillness, and trust that becoming is not something to rush.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00 - Intro

02:27 - Meet Gugu

04:22 - The differences between Gugu in 2023 vs 2026

07:04 - Game: Toast or Ghost

14:15 - What the definition of dating herself is  for Gugu

18:18 - Relationship check

20:07 - Gugu on embodying how she can experience love on her own 

22:56 - Gugu's love language to herself 

26:25 - Gugu's favourite solo experiences

28:53 - Gugu on solo travel

35:13 - Gugu on being content single but still desiring partnership

37:04 - The impact of self-love on how Gugu approaches dating 

41:03 - Gugu on standing in her own way in relationships

41:37 - Gugu's advice for anyone who wants to choose themselves

45:48- Gugu receives her Breathe It In gift box

47:04- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-  / https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang   

➜ Tik Tok:@sheisbokang-  https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za - https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza- https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Gugulethu

➜ Instagram: @gugulethu_nyatsumba -https://www.instagram.com/gugulethu_nyatsumba 

➜TikTok: @gugulethu_nyatsumba-https://www.tiktok.com/@gugulethu_nyatsumba 

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7bUlKg3TQS6LWZpZE?si=ad35431e1c1a474d 

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/bw/podcast/according-to-b/id1686532135 

Castbox:https://castbox.fm/vh/5426930 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Director: Bokang Lehlokoe

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Production Assistant: Senamile Dlamini

Videography: Looped Pictures  

Post Production: Looped Pictures

This episode of According to B is brought to you in partnership with Bernini- South Africa’s only real spritzer made from wine.

The internet loves an It Girl-but what if the real flex is becoming the It Girl of your own life?

In this episode, I’m joined by fashion, travel, and lifestyle creator Lwandile Makhaza popularly known as (The Fruity Chapters) to reclaim the It Girl from the algorithm and bring her back home.

We unpack:

• Style, taste, and intentional living

• Health, routines, and discipline with softness

• Confidence, visibility, and protecting your peace

• Career, creativity, and defining success on your own terms

This isn’t about aesthetics - it’s about authorship.

Subscribe to The B Word here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBWord?su... 

✰ MEET OUR CO-HOST ✰

Lwandile

Lwandile Makhaza, widely known as The Fruity Chapters, is a South African lifestyle and fashion content creator, storyteller, and creative entrepreneur who has cultivated a distinctive voice in digital culture. Through a refined yet deeply personal lens, she shares reflections on style, self-trust, discipline, and what it means to intentionally curate a life that feels aligned rather than performative.

With an eye for aesthetics and a commitment to authenticity, Lwandile has built a community that resonates with her thoughtful approach to presence, confidence, and self-authorship. Her platform is not just about fashion or lifestyle-it’s about becoming. Becoming more grounded. More self-aware. More deliberate about the life you are building.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00- Intro

01:19- About the conversation

02:27- Meet Lwandile

04:51- Game: Toast or Ghost

11:00- What an IT girl is to Lwandile & Bokang

14:23- Lwandile on how she deals with self-doubt

15:44- How Lwandile overcomes the fear of doing

16:31- Where Lwandile draws her inspiration from

20:13- What Lwandile's current style says about the season she is in

22:40- Biggest difference between pre 25 Lwandile and post 25 Lwandile

24:38- What pushed Lwandile to prioritize her health

32:22- Lwandile on being big on experiences

40:42- Career growth and success for Lwandile

45:48- How Lwandile deals with boundaries with work

48:25- The one way Lwandile is committing to showing up for herself in 2026 

50:53- Lwandile receives her Breathe It In gift box 

51:31- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-  / https://www.instagram.com/sheisbokang   

➜ Tik Tok:@sheisbokang-  https://www.tiktok.com/@sheisbokang 

The B Word

➜ Instagram: @thebword_za - https://www.instagram.com/thebword_za

➜ Tik Tok: @thebwordza- https://www.tiktok.com/@thebword_za 

Guest

Lwandile

➜ Instagram: @thefruitychapters -https://www.instagram.com/thefruitychapters

➜TikTok: @thefruitychapters-https://www.tiktok.com/@thefruitychapters 

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7bUlKg3TQS6LWZpZE?si=ad35431e1c1a474d 

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/bw/podcast/according-to-b/id1686532135 

Castbox:https://castbox.fm/vh/5426930 

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Director: Bokang Lehlokoe

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Production Assistant: Seanmile Dlamini

Videography: Looped Pictures  

Post Production: Looped Pictures

This episode of According to B is brought to you in partnership with Bernini- the sparkling spritzer born from real wine. 

We live in a world that quietly teaches women to compete - over beauty, success, relationships, and even friendships. And sometimes, without realising it, that pressure seeps into the very relationships meant to hold us.

In this episode of According to B, we’re choosing something different.

I’m joined by best friends and Because We Said So podcast co-hosts Landzy Gama and Zama Marubelela (ZeeXOnline) for a deeply honest conversation about female friendship as refuge, grounding, and one of adulthood’s greatest love stories.

Together, we unpack:

• How comparison and competition show up in women’s friendships

• What female friendship teaches us about love and becoming

• Navigating friendship breakups without villains

• Why our friends often become the true witnesses to our lives

This conversation is an invitation to slow down, soften, and savour the relationships that let us be messy, honest, and fully ourselves.

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✰ MEET OUR CO-HOSTS ✰

Zama & Landzy

Landzy Gama and Zama Marubelele are best friends, Youtubers, content creators and the co-hosts of the podcast Because We Said So- a space beloved for its deeply relatable conversations about girlhood, friendship, love, and becoming. Known for their honesty, humour, and emotional openness, they’ve built a platform that feels like a safe place to land for women navigating adulthood in real time.

What truly sets Landzy and Zama apart is the bond they share and the way they show up for each other- with softness, accountability, and care. Through their work, they remind women that friendship can be grounding, expansive, and life-shaping, and that choosing each other in a world that encourages comparison is a powerful act. Their journey reflects the beauty of growing together, speaking openly, and allowing friendship to be one of life’s greatest love stories.

✰ TIMESTAMPS✰

00:00- Coming up

01:21- About the conversation

02:48- Meet Landzy & Zama

04:10- Landzy & Zama on vlogging vs podcasting

06:30- Game: Toast or Ghost

13:09- Landzy & Zama: The advice queens

13:59- Dilemma 1

23:52- Dilemma 2

27:51- What the end of a friendship has taught Landzy & Zama

31:55- What Landzy & Zama have learnt about themselves from each other

34:06- What friendship has given Landzy & Zama that romantic relationship hasn't

37:06- Advise to the girls that have experienced friendship hurt

39:54- Gifting Landzy & Zama their Breathe It In boxes

40:51- Outro

✰ SOCIAL MEDIA ✰

Bokang

➜ Instagram: @sheisbokang-  / sheisbokang   

➜ Tik Tok:@sheisbokang-  / sheisbokang   

The B Word

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Guest

Zama

➜ Instagram: @zeexonline-https://www.instagram.com/zeexonline 

➜TikTok: @zeexonline- https://www.tiktok.com/@zeexonline 

Landzy

➜ Instagram: @landzygama-https://www.instagram.com/landzygama

➜TikTok: @landzygama- https://www.tiktok.com/@landzygama 

✰ LISTEN ON ✰ 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XnqZ7b...

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...

Castbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/id5426930?...

✰ BUSINESS INQUIRIES ✰

E-mail: [email protected] 

✰ TEAM/CREDITS ✰

Director: Bokang Lehlokoe

Producer: Bokang Lehlokoe & Tshegetso Moepi 

Production Assistant: Seanmile Dlamini

Videography: Looped Pictures  

Post Production: Looped Pictures