Titus & John Presnall talk Scarface--Brian De Palma's most infamous movie & the most influential, the tragedy of American freedom. Desire leads to violence--as Rene Girard says, desire is imitative, creates competition, & leads to catastrophe. Hence, both liberal tolerance, not to say optimism, & conservative insistence on property rights, not to say pessimism, reach a crisis when commerce & immigration create a catastrophe by fulfilling dreams with cocaine.