Peace, progress and justice are only possible when we find ways to work with those we do not agree with, do not like, and do not trust. This is a lesson that few want to learn, and one that fewer know how to practice. That is why this interview is a must listen to. Adam Kahane has spent decades helping people navigate the most intractable challenges by doing what seems counterintuitive: collaborating with the enemy. His approach doesn’t rely on harmony or consensus. It embraces complexity, uncertainty, and disagreement as essential ingredients of meaningful change. Not your tradiitonal model of collaboration. It is deeeper, more courageous and ultimately more effective.