On this episode, Paul and Derrick sit down with a guest who's been on a path of self improvement for several years. We have an in-depth conversation about the Virginia Bishop who died from COVID19, and discussed how faith and reality works together. We also discuss books that have had an impact, and discuss our moment of truths. Great episode...follow the podcast on IG @beneaththesurface_pod for lastest updates. Indulge!!