There's a difference between making a product and designing a product experience. We all know what it's like to use something that you don't necessarily want to use again - and a key aspect of that is design. 

On this episode, we welcome Lisa Helminiak, Founder and CEO of Azul Seven, a design team based in Minneapolis that recently joined us. We're happy to welcome Lisa and her team as they help us grow in the Minneapolis market, expanding our human-centered expertise in Digital Transformation. 

On this episode, Lisa is interviewed by Design Director, Brian Hauch. Brian is a thoughtful strategist, and together they explore the benefits and tensions of products that bring design to the table.

Please help us welcome Lisa and her team!