Joseph Augustyn retired from the CIA in 2004 after spending 28 years as a member of the Clandestine Service. In this episode, Mr. Augustyn discusses his role immediately post-9/11 as CIA joined other agencies and congress in determining how the country would counter newly emerging, asymmetric terrorist threats - specifically the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. Recorded 4 Sept 2020. Host: James Hughes, AFIO President and former CIA Operations Officer.