Is the U.S. still the indispensable nation, or should the EU, the U.K., and NATO now look to their own resources for projecting military force? Washington doesn't want to be the global policeman any more. So what should the rest of the West do?

Dr Jana Puglierin, head of the Berlin office of the European Council on Foreign Relations, tells Bloomberg Westminster's Caroline Hepker and Roger Hearing that EU nations are reluctant to set up their own force. Our international government editor, Ros Mathieson, says that what happened in Kabul underlines European doubts about continuing U.S. support.

Professor Michael Clarke, formerly director general of the Royal United Services Institute. joins to discuss the options for the U.K. in a post-Brexit, post-Afghanistan world.

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