On the podcast this month, Seb Rose and Steve Tooke speak to Allan Kelly, a well-known agile consultant and long-time friend of the pod.

**On the podcast the three discuss:***

- Why agile often just means agile software development.

- What companies mean when they say "digital transformation".

- Advice for ambitious teams who want to spread agile across the organisation.

- Allan's personal story into agile consulting.

- Why he advocates a #noprojects mindset

- Why Seb shares Allan's Dear Customer blog post with all his post-graduate students.

Shownotes:

- Dear Customer - https://leanpub.com/xanpan/c/Trega15

- Agile on the Beach - http://agileonthebeach.com/

- How buildings learn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Buildings-Learn-Happens-Theyre/dp/0140139966

- Allan on Twitter - https://twitter.com/allankellynet

- Allan's blog - https://www.allankellyassociates.co.uk/