I finally got a chance to record a podcast with Josh. He is great fun to chat with and has also produced a classic in the field. If you do not have a copy of Refactoring to Patterns grab one for yourself or someone who develops code for a living. We chatted about his companies new e-learning offering, certification and scaling teaching.Hope you enjoy this as much as I did recording it.Many more Agile 2007 recordings to come...Enjoy the new (slightly) intro and lead out.-bob payne