In this episode, Matt and Liam unpack a familiar argument dressed up in new AI hype: should we loosen standards and ship faster, or is that missing the point entirely? What starts as a debate about “AI slop” quickly turns into a deeper conversation about where AI actually creates value — and why that value shows up most clearly when it’s in the hands of people, not platforms.

Sparked by a rage-baity take on AI, perfection, and velocity, the conversation quickly widens into something more fundamental. What actually matters in software? Who is this advice really for? And why does it feel like we keep having the same argument every few years?

Along the way, they dig into how AI is actually being used by experienced developers, why regulated and enterprise environments can’t play by startup rules, and where the “10× developer” narrative quietly turns toxic.

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It’s a wide-ranging, late-night conversation about tools, pressure, values, and what we actually want our work to mean — with a few familiar rants along the way.

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