In this episode of Razorwire, we’re looking into the contentious realm of AI and data privacy. This week, I’m joined by Amy Stokes Waters, CEO of The Cyber Escape Room Company, and Ryan Mangan, a chartered IT professional and Microsoft MVP, to explore the ethical implications of feeding our personal data into AI systems.

Join our discussion on recent controversies, including Adobe's T&C changes and Clearview's facial recognition technology, while questioning who truly benefits from AI data collection. We debate the balance between technological advancement and personal privacy rights, highlighting the disparities in how different organisations handle consent and transparency.

From medical research to creative rights, this episode addresses how AI development is outpacing both regulatory frameworks and organisational policies. As businesses increasingly rely on AI-powered tools, what safeguards should we demand, and how much of our digital footprint are we willing to sacrifice?

3 Key Talking Points:

1. The Opt-Out Illusion: Discover how major tech companies are quietly changing their terms of service to automatically opt users into AI training programmes using your data. We reveal the hidden challenges of truly removing your information once it's been absorbed into AI systems and what this means for your digital privacy. 
2. Policy vs. Protection Gap: Learn why most organisations lack proper AI usage policies, leaving customer data vulnerable. Our experts discuss how even well-intentioned employees are likely uploading confidential information to ChatGPT without realising the risks and what safeguards businesses should implement immediately. 
3. The Jurisdictional Minefield: Understand the complex legal landscape where regulations like GDPR and HIPAA struggle to keep pace with AI development. Our conversation explores the dangerous territory of international data jurisdiction and how conflicting regulations create loopholes that affect your privacy rights.

"I think it's really positive that actually these things are coming out and that there are court cases and legal action being taken against companies who are using data without consent." Amy Stokes Waters

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In this episode, we covered the following topics:

• Spot stealth data collection – Identify how companies like Adobe and LinkedIn are changing their terms of service to automatically opt you into AI training programmes
• Protect your creative work - Understand the risks to your intellectual property when uploading content to cloud services with AI features
• Navigate consent manipulation - Recognise the tactics used to hide opt-out options and how to find them
• Safeguard sensitive information - Prevent employees from inadvertently exposing confidential data through ChatGPT and similar tools
• Understand data sanitisation - Learn what proper data anonymisation actually means and why it matters for your privacy
• Balance innovation with privacy - Discover how organisations can ethically use AI for advancements in healthcare while protecting personal data
• Create effective AI policies - Develop clear guidelines for your business on appropriate AI usage before data breaches occur
• Recognise AI's limitations - Identify when AI might present biased or false information, particularly in specialised fields like law
• Prepare for international data conflicts - Navigate the complex landscape of competing regulatory frameworks affecting your data (GDPR, HIPAA, etc.)
• Anticipate future privacy challenges - Get ahead of emerging concerns as AI technology continues outpacing regulatory frameworks

Resources Mentioned

• The Cyber Escape Room Co - A business led by Amy Stokes Waters that creates cybersecurity-focused escape room
• Ether Assist - Ryan Mangan's AI platform designed specifically for IT professionals and security teams, providing technical assistance and support.
• OFFS Events - A conference series organised by Amy that hosts cybersecurity events in South Africa and the UK.
• The Cyber Sentinels Handbook – written by James Rees and described as "a primer for information security professionals", aimed at practitioners at all career stages, from beginners to experienced professionals.
• CoStar - A framework for creating effective AI prompts that helps users structure their queries with context, style, and other parameters to get better results from AI systems.
• Adobe's Terms of Service AI Training Controversy
• Clearview AI Dutch Data Protection Fine
• Microsoft Graph Security Information
• LinkedIn AI Training Suspension After ICO Concerns
• Slack's AI Features and Data Collection
• Model Autophagy Disorder (MAD) in AI
• Creating Effective AI Usage Policies

Meet our guests

Amy Stoke-Waters

Amy has a decade of experience in sales and marketing and now acts as CEO at The Cyber Escape Room Co and CCO at Yellowstone Security. She is a founding member of RINA's Maritime Cyber Security Task Force and an active advocate for gender diversity in the industry. As a regular guest on podcasts and panels, Amy talks on a variety of topics including security culture and awareness, personal branding, and women in tech.

Ryan Mangan

Ryan Mangan is the CEO of EfficientEther Ltd, a Microsoft Startup focused on AI-driven IT solutions and cloud cost management. With a strong background in managed services, Ryan previously founded and led Systech IT Solutions, building successful technology businesses focused on Managed Services. A Microsoft MVP and Chartered Fellow of the British Computer Society (FBCS CITP), he is a recognised industry expert, author, and public speaker. Ryan is also an Editorial Advisory Board member for TechTarget, contributing to thought leadership in enterprise IT. His work has been featured in publications such as Computer Weekly, TechTarget, and BCS IT Now, and he regularly speaks at industry events, sharing insights on AI, cloud, and other IT topics.

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