Andy and Dave welcome back Larry Lewis, the Director for CNA's Center for Autonomy and Artificial Intelligence, and welcome Merel Ekelhof, a Ph.D. candidate at VU University Amsterdam and visiting scholar at Harvard Law School. Over the course of this two-part series, the group discusses the idea of "meaningful human control" in the context of the military targeting process, the increasing role of autonomous technologies (and that autonomy is not simply an issue "at the boom"), and the potential directions for future meetings of the U.N. Convention on Certain Weapons.