In this episode, Matt Baker and Justin Pearl speak with AJ Turner who raises some observations and possible critiques in response to Clayton Crockett's recent book "Energy and Change: A New Materialist Cosmo-theology". AJ is a graduate student at Drew University working in the areas of Pragmatism, Psychology of Religion, William James, Religious Naturalism, and Sociocultural Psychoanalysis.

Music for this episode:

Higher Dimension Waiting Room, Jazzbois

The Sneeze, Jazzbois

Love Always, Nu Alkemi

Nomad's Theme, Matt Baker