These conversations sit somewhere around the edges of the album.

They’re about mental health, masculinity, and the stuff that sits underneath both - shame, silence, identity, all of it.

The record started with a song called “Talk,” about how often we don’t say what’s actually going on.

These are attempts to do that.

This first conversation is with Alain de Botton 

Content warning: this episode includes discussions of suicide and drug use.

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