In the 20th episode of The Unused Subs, Jacob & Goran are joined by ALEX RUFER, skipper of the Wellington Phoenix! In the aftermath of Auckland FC’s shock loss to Melbourne Victory he’s the perfect person to chat to, given his Nix suffered the same fate one year ago. What are the emotions he experienced after his own semi final disappointment, as we attempt to understand how the Black Knights will be feeling in this moment.

Also on the menu: The Phoenix 24/25 campaign and why they didn’t reach the dizzying heights of the previous season, Alex’s sickness - and subsequent weight loss - which saw him spend a large chunk of the season resting at home. We address the Logan Rogerson fishing story, the David Ball jetski yarn, losing mates over golf, and ask the million dollar question: does Alex Rufer genuinely dislike Goran?

Before all that Jacob & Goran review THAT disallowed goal. Did Guillermo May’s cross go out of play? And we chat about the overwhelmingly positive impact Auckland FC has had on NZ’s largest city.

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