In the second episode of the ReCentered podcast, Alexander Gabuev, the Director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center and an expert in Russian foreign policy, joins host Nico Luchsinger to discuss how Moscow and Beijing view the current conversations around the emergence of a new world order. In the second part of the episode, GCSP Executive Director Thomas Greminger joins to share his take-aways from the Munich Security Conference.

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Alexander Gabuev and Oliver Stuenkel: BRICS is Missing its Chance, in Foreign Affairs (November 18, 2025). 

ReCentered is a podcast from the Geneva Centre for Security Policy (GCSP). It is produced by Florian Golay, William Tavelli, and Nico Luchsinger.