Robert finds out about a goat named Skubal. Sean's wifi holds up until a late-episode storm rolls in.

The guys open the show by talking about offseason sports viewing (6:30). Sean announces his running project to watch every Fast & Furious movie.

Sean and Robert then discuss Jamie Benn's legacy (20:40) and what options Dallas has to treat him and the team right at this point, and then the guys talk about NHL awards voting, and why you're doing it wrong.

Kyle Stich of AFP Analytics joins (58:00) to discuss how projecting NHL contracts works, whether Jason Robertson is likely to actually reach arbitration with any team, and how the NHL landscape has shifted (and not shifted) in surprising ways in recent years.

The guys wrap up (1:57:00) by throwing out gut feelings about Jason Robertson's eventual contract and LAN cables.

Sean drives to the top of a parking garage. Robert gets to hear an Alex Ovechkin story.

First (11:20), the one-and-only Bruce Boudreau joins the show to talk about the award named after him, how his AHL career ended, comparing tough playoff goalie decisions, the Russian Machine, and how Boudreau liked to mess with reporters.

Sean and Robert then (57:45) discuss the tricky parts of press conferences, dignity and dialogue, as well as the PWHL announcement in Detroit.

Finally, (1:30:20) Troy Bodie of the Seattle Kraken and the GM of the Coachella Valley Firebirds joins the show to talk about launching a new AHL team in the desert, playing for Randy Carlyle, why he decided to retire at 30, and some Memorial Cup memories from his days in Kelowna.

Sean and Robert kick things off by magnanimously acknowledging that you are allowed to walk up and give them envelopes of cash at any time.

Former NHL video coach Kelly Forbes then joins the show (11:45) to talk about his career in Dallas, how the job of a video coach changed after the coach's challenge, what it was like working for seven different Stars head coaches, how he decided to step away from hockey, and why his phone blew up on Tuesday night.

Recent winner of the Italian hockey double Florian Wieser then stops by (1:09:15) to talk about his long and successful hockey career in Italy, why the Milan rink drama was overblown to begin with, memories of playing against current and former NHLers, North American vs. European hockey coaches, and whether he wants to be a really shouty coach himself (he does not).

Finally, (1:50:35) Sean wraps up the show by putting Robert on the spot, and the guys talk about the tough-but-great decisions independent media members have to make.

Sean and Robert kick the show off by talking about production improvements they can make after last week. Robert's wifi then decides to be funny by abandoning the segment, substantially improving its listenability.

They then (6:30) discuss playoff broadcasts and Tom Dundon's "thriftiness" as recently discoverd by the Portland Trailblazers.

Dimitri Filipovic of the PDOcast joins (36:30), and the group discusses how Dimitri got so much better at interviewing people than than people currently interviewing him, convincing NHL coaches and GMs to join his analytics conference, why Dallas isn't seen as more of a template for other franchises to model, and his thoughts on a few of the playoff series so far.

After a brief interlude in which the guys reflect on how great Dimitri is, they are joined by their second great guest: Nick Ciavarella (1:25:01) of Skateskins and Just Dishin. They talk about the Buffalo Sabres, Nick's video work with the NHL (and others), and how more personality can find its way into the league.

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A beer-league goalie named Sean talks with a USA Hockey goalie expert, and everyone learns something. Robert learns his own hard lessons about audio engineering.

After some producer notes from last week's episode (1:00), Sean proposes a crazy play-in rule the NHL should think about (9:30). The guys also reflect on Episode 2 guest Rick Bowness's blunt comments about the Blue Jackets (15:48) after Columbus's final game of the season.

Steve Thompson of USA Hockey joins the show (30:20) with some expert insight into goaltending development, why the RVH is misunderstood, how to avoid some common mistakes in developing younger goaltenders, and how crucial goaltending always seems to be whenever USA hockey teams win gold.

Sean (1:35:00) takes a moment to touch on the tough spot smaller college hockey programs are in when it comes to recruiting and retaining players in the transfer portal landscape.

Finally, (1:40:30) Utah Mammoth analyst and former NHL player Dominic Moore joins the show to talk about playing all 82 games in a season, whom Utah would prefer to face in the first round, how he made the journey from the ice to the broadcast booth, how the Spengler Cup took his career to Switzerland, and one Jaromír Jágr story appropriate enough to share.

Sean is at a loud hockey rink. Robert says "um" a couple times.

Jack Han joins (2:00) the show to talk about rink coffee, his new book, how he started writing about hockey, what it's like being an NHL video coach, how limitations and constraints can be key to organic development, and how passing can be like a good handshake.

Robert and Sean (54:17) then get into how video and charts are secret best friends, ways in which NHL TV presentation can grow, and a stunning theological dissertation.

Sean educates Robert about college hockey (1:22:25), including his take on whether a certain college player will go first overall.

Rick Bowness (1:55:00) joins the show to talk about how it's cold in Buffalo, how much gas Columbus has left in the tank, how he adapts his coaching for different players, which video clips he requests for meetings, all the things he still loves about coaching, and some admirable traits of Jamie Benn and Adam Fantilli.

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Sean and Robert start the show with a discussion about rules the PWHL has adopted that the NHL might benefit from. Sean advocates for the jailbreak goal while Robert uses the phrase "some our younger viewers" at 23:07 just to show how out of touch he really is.

Next (55:00) they're joined by SportsNet's Elliotte Friedman to discuss Jim Nill's recent extension in Dallas, some great Lou Lamoriello stories, whether Elliotte even likes the term "insider," and how you build trust while protecting sources.

Finally (1:16:00) we talk with agent Ian Greengross of Greengross Athletic Management Enterprises about how he navigates discussions between teams and clients, how the coaching landscape has changed over his career, and what he's learned as an agent, a lawyer, and a former hockey goaltender.

Sean and Robert talk for a few minutes about what Algorithmically Incorrect Hockey is and isn't.