Journalist Ralph Blumenthal joins Jim to talk about his book The Believer; Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack, available now.

In the second half Lucy, an alien abductee joins the conversation to share her harrowing story

More of Ralph's work here

His recent article THE EXPERIENCE: THE CULTURAL RISE OF ALIEN ABDUCTIONS AND THOSE WHO ENCOUNTER THEM

See Lucy's blog here

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