Hosts Kyle Bullock and Jimmy DeGroot explore why passion doesn’t automatically transfer from owners to staff, and why pay alone won’t solve motivation problems. They cover practical approaches—paying a living wage, observing time/talent/treasure, asking better interview questions, using tools like Flag Page, and job-crafting roles—to align employee motivations with business goals.

The episode shows how leaders can protect core values, speak each person’s language, and place people in roles that fit their drives so teams feel cared for, stay engaged, and help a business grow slowly and sustainably.