Well, this starts with a strange pseudo-apology that was amusing for any who oppose this podcast. Then Jon proposes an allegory (actually Shaun does all the heavy lifting, but he credits Jon), and the two talk about the allegory as though talking through this imaginative comparison will solve all problems in education. One of them, probably Shaun, cannot stop bumping his microphone table, which is a tad distracting, but at least it gives us something else to listen for because insights ain't coming, my friends.