In this episode of the Papamū Podcast, host John Kaʻohelauliʻi is joined by Kōnane researcher and advocate Kapena Baptista for a conversation entitled All About the Papamū. Together, they explore why the papamū—the board itself—is not just a playing surface, but a cultural object layered with history, values, and ʻike kūpuna.Kapena shares his research on traditional mauka–makai board configurations, the significance of an odd-even layout that creates a piko, and what we can learn from the remaining kūpuna boards—especially those held at Bishop Museum. The episode also reflects on community response to seeing these boards in public, the deeper strategy of pattern recognition and memory in Kōnane, and a powerful vision for the future: more people playing, playing well, and bringing life back into our kūpuna materials through leagues, gatherings, and tournaments rooted in place and purpose.Host:Uncle John Kaohelaulii Author, The Black Book of Kōnane; Kōnane ExpertGuest:Kapena BaptistaCultural Anthropologist, Community Organizer, Kōnane PractitionerCredits:Podcast Planning Team: Leimaile Barret, Kimo Chun, John Kaohelaulii, Keiki Kaopua, Kaipo Kī`aha, Tina Kinimaka, Tevairangi Lopez, Leinani Makekau-WhitakerPodcast Production: Leimaile Barret, James Hall, Kaipo Kī`ahaLogo Development: Kaipo Kī`ahaMahalo to our cultural practitioners who keep Kōnane connected to moʻolelo, values, and ʻŌiwi leadership pathways. Also, special thanks to Akau Additional Information:– Rules of Kōnane– Glossary of ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi Kōnane Terminology– Strategies & gameplay mindset– Online resources (Papa Mū, rules, start-a-club templates)– Hopes for the future of Kōnane as a cultural and educational practice