DSPN host Martin Devlin opens up with a sermon, questioning whether the All Blacks have truly improved since their record loss to South Africa in Wellington. He argues they’ve made steady progress through the Rugby Championship, highlighting sharper performances, greater discipline, and renewed belief ahead of a testing Grand Slam tour.

Then, Brett McKay - writer for RugbyPass and co-host of the 8-9 Rugby Combo podcast - joins to discuss the Wallabies’ struggles, their inconsistency, and coaching uncertainty surrounding Joe Schmidt and Les Kiss. McKay also reflects on Australia’s lack of depth, the importance of stability before the 2027 World Cup, and how tight the Rugby Championship race has become.

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