Andy and I talk for two hours and thirty minutes. After editing, I have two hours and fifteen minutes of conversation!  This, part one, is our first hour and while we cover a lot of topics, there's a central point that plays out, again, and again!

• Andy K on Twitter
• Heavy Kotdama Discord
• Liminal RPG 
• Raphael Chandler
•  Judd Karlman
• Stras Acimovic 
• Ars Magica 
• The Spire RPG 
• Shinobigami RPG 
• Dungeon World 
• Tenra Bansho Zero RPG 

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