In this episode, Natalie chats with Mat Dryhurst — long-time musician, technologist and artist advocate. We dive into Mat’s early background and initial forays into blending frontier technology with creative practices, how & why Art is becoming increasingly intertwined with technology, “Protocol Art,” what it means to be creative in the age of AI, spawning vs. sampling, reviving the ethos of “the commons” and “public goods” as it relates to media, the responsibility of artists today, and much more.