This conversation left me struggling for words at times to express and share, the magnitude of impact this story has had on me for some years now.  I even wrote about it in the blog post, The Power of Forgiveness, episode 74.  And now, the chance to speak with Tasreen Khamisa, this week’s By Request guest, who heads the foundation that honors her brother who is no longer here.  

TKF seeks to help the youth find different, and better, ways to cope with feelings that lead to choices that aren’t always good.  She knows first-hand the impact this can have on a family.  Isn’t it something that immeasurable goodness can come from such profound tragedy?  I applaud the healing, restoration and the work done here.  I hope one day there will be a larger awakening to consider this model essential learning for the wellness of our community.  Thank you TKF for all you do - in Tariq’s name.

You will find the Tariq Khamisa Foundation work here tkf and on Instagram tkf. Also you can reach out to Tasreen for more through email [email protected].

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Welcome to Unabashed you conversations to become who you already are. The focus at UI is to be who you are without apology, for you are one of a kind, without equal. Be encouraged as these conversations will help you think, celebrate who you are, and move you in some way your companion to the whimsy and beauty of the human spirit. Rochelle Kindy Now this conversation left me struggling for words at times to express and share the magnitude of impact the story has had on me for some years now. I even wrote about it in the blog post, The Power of Forgiveness, Episode 74. And now the chance to speak with Tasreen Khamisa this week's. Buy Request guest who heads the foundation that honors her brother, who is no longer here.

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I became acquainted with Tasreen through supporting the foundation her family started TKF. I invited her a while back, and we finally have synced our calendars to make this conversation work. Welcome to the show, Tasreen.

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Did you hear me say welcome? Sorry. That's okay. My thing clicked out. So can you still hear me? I still can hear you. Yes. Okay, good. Okay. So I just welcomed you to the show. I said that we were finally able to connect our calendars and get a date at a time. And I'm so excited. Yes, I'm excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's such a pleasure. It really is. And you have a beautiful smile. Truly beautiful smile. Is there anything you want the listeners to know about you as we get started here? I'm a mom of three kids, first and foremost. So they're like a huge part of who I am. Yes. And I just have always been really rooted in serving since I was little. It would have been a big part of my life. And so I know my purpose is to serve. And I think serving young people has always been something that I've been super passionate for. And now having my own kids, I think it just gives it new meaning. Right. And then seeing the other people that pour into your kids through your family, your community, your friends, school, whatever, I mean, it's just such a valuable thing. You realize it really does take the village or the community to really raise up your kids in a really great way. It does. What three words would you use to describe yourself? Okay, so I thought about this. So I put compassionate because I feel like I try to lead with compassion every day. Like that is something I do. I put understanding and but it's important, especially at this time in our country, even more so that we learn to be understanding. And I put spiritual because I think I'm really rooted in I'm a spiritual being having a human experience. And I like to live to live with that lens because I believe everything happens for a reason. And we're here for growth and we grow different ways. But if we have a spiritual lens, I feel like we're more open to both sorrow and joy because they both teach us different things. That is so true. That is so true because you can't really appreciate the joy and the good stuff unless you've I mean, it feels really good in the moment, but if you've also had the heartbreak and the grief and the devastation, it's even sweeter. Would you agree with that? Absolutely. I think that you have to have both. They go hand in hand. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and that's how this life works, right? We have both. Yeah, we have both. My dad gave me the profit by Karl Gibbon when I was 18. And there's a whole passage on there around joy and sorrow. And when you have joy, sorrow is in the shadow and vice versa. We always have to remember that everything changes, nothing's permanent. We will move through things, but we can't appreciate joy without sorrow, and we can't appreciate sorrow without joy because they both teach us so many things. And I think just that one lesson as a young girl, 18, we do a lot of nights sometimes. Oh, isn't that wonderful? Gosh, what a gift. That is a great gift to give. All right. We're going to do two truths and a lie. So you say three things about yourself. I will try to guess. Okay. So I'm an extrovert. I am scared of height, and Swahili was my first language. Okay. Extrovert scared of heights. Swahili is the first language. Okay. I talked my process, so you don't have to say anything for just a moment. Okay. Scared of heights. I mean, who isn't? In a way. I know there are people that aren't. I'm going to put that aside as being true. Swahili. I think that could be true. I'm just going to take a wild guess that you're naturally an introvert. Yes.

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Okay. And, you know, I'm actually an introvert, too, although you would not necessarily know that about me either. That doesn't mean we're not friendly and warm and all those things. It just means not just it means that we need time alone and away from the busyness of life to recharge. We don't recharge through the people and the stuff and all that. That actually kind of takes a little bit away. Even if it's the most fun you ever had, it still kind of takes away your energy. Do you agree with that, too? Yes, absolutely. One introverts or the other? Right. I agree with all of that. I don't recharge around other people. And I think my job is so external that I almost have to cocoon more. Sometimes I have to go back to it on. Sometimes I'll go a whole week out without even, like, hearing my own voice. I need that downtime and that quiet time. Yeah. Okay. So you are afraid of heights, which seems very natural to me. And then Swahili was your first language? Yeah, I was born in Nairobi, Kenya, and we called them Ayaz but they're like nannies. That took a lot of care of me when I was born. And so, yeah, my first words were in 20 weeks. That is so cool. Do you still know it or recognize it at all? Some of the simple words like Lala is sweet and of course, jumbo. We all know because of The Lion King, I guess. But some of the simple words I still remember. Oh, gosh, that's so precious. What a great beginning. I love that. All right. Your favorite movie of all time? Well, it's an Indian movie. I did an Indian movie and I did an English movie. Okay. So Devdas is an Indian movie that has been around for a long time, but it's just a tragic love story. But I love it. It's like a three hour typical Indian movie. And then I think it was hard for me to pick an English movie, but I think then I always go back to The Notebook. I think the notes I've watched it so many times, I can watch it over and over again. Well, those sound kind of parallel. I haven't seen the first one, but they both seem to me to be by even your description, romantic love stories. And then with some unbelievable sadness woven in is kind of what that sounds like. Yeah. Okay, cool. I haven't seen The Notebook in a long time, so I'm going to have to revisit the name of the person that inspires you. I put down both my grandmother's. Oh, nice. They both have inspired me in so many ways, but definitely in what's important in life. I think my dad's mom, who I called Mama, she always was rooted in service. And so she really instilled in me that true service is really the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing to always when you serve, do it unconditionally and without expectation of anything in return. And she instilled that in me at a young age. And she role modeled that her entire life. Both my grandmothers have passed. And my mom's mom just instilled in me the importance of family first. And sometimes we do all these things outside of our family externally, but we don't do the same things like within our family. And she always instilled in me family first and the importance of family and showing up for family and being the support to your loved ones and your family. And I think those are two things I've really taken with me as I grew up. And as an adult, they really, truly are my role models, for sure. Well, and this is the first time we have spoken on the phone before, briefly, this was like last year. But this is the first time where we were really having an in real life conversation. And I will say that as little as I know about you. I am absolutely convinced that both of those things come from you. I can feel that family is first. I can feel that you are about service and obviously the work you're doing, and we'll get into that really exemplifies both of those areas that your grandma's gave to you. So you called one Mama, and what did you call the other one? Nanima. Nanima. Yeah, Nanima, which means older mother. So, yeah, my Mama and my NA. So they definitely were my true, I think, role models and beautiful. That's really beautiful. I like the nod to two generations skipping your parents, and obviously your parents had impact on you as well. But then that next generation up. That's really lovely. All right. And a negative wisdom you keep handy. You've already given us a lot. My gosh. So I'm a big Louise lhey fan. Okay. There's this affirmation that I just keep everywhere that I always say, and that all is well. Everything is working out for my highest good. So I kind of try to stay grounded in that. I think just even the all as well. I think when life gets hard or you're going through challenges, I truly believe, like, what we feed grows. So when we are going through challenges, if we can fit in, that all as well, everything is working out for my highest good. That's what we grow. And sometimes it's really natural to go into, like, a lot of negativity or self doubt, self worth, helplessness. And so if we give energy to that and we feed, that, that's what's going to grow. And I think affirmations are so powerful to like. Our words and thoughts are so important, and a lot of us, I think, have to train our brains to rethink that way because it's easier to go into the negative and spiral into negative. And I am completely guilty of that. I got to write it.

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Reminders. Sure. Yes. Everything you're saying, I'm nodding. I'm tearing up. My heart is swelling. Yes. Obviously, kindred spirits here. And just to curse me, have you ever considered writing a book? You've got all these great pieces of wisdom to share. So beautiful. I leave that to my author of a father five books. Yeah. Okay. He's authored five. I have three. And I've read the first one, which was just so incredible. All right, let's take the deep dive, which is sharing your passion. And that's typically what you might be sharing on social media or maybe what you're doing work wise. I'd love to have a conversation about that. Do you want to get the ball rolling? Or if you give me a topic, then I can help. Yeah. I definitely am super blessed to be living my purpose every day, and that's really connecting, I think serving young people and I think just helping to make this world a better place, a more peaceful place for young people to grow up in. And so I think all my work is rooted in that space, and I get to do it through the work of TKF and the Sarkinesa Foundation. And so I lost my brother really tragically 26 years ago to gun violence, gang violence. And my father founded the Sauerk Mesa Foundation initially just to prevent other families from kind of suffering the way our family had suffered. But if you rewind to when my brother was still alive, I majored in sociology with an emphasis in juvenile delinquency. I kind of always knew I think my soul probably always knew that I would be doing this work. I never knew that I would be doing it in my brother's name. Right. But I think being a young girl in the US, going to schools, being a woman of color was really challenging for me. And I was bullied a lot in school. So was my brother. And so I think I kind of shut down as a child. But it was a teacher that really inspired me to embrace who I am and embrace my strengths and help me find my voice and find my inner confidence. And that moment for me in middle school, I said I was going to do this for other kids one day. I wanted to be a youth advocate. I wanted to give a voice to young people that didn't feel like they had a voice. And the criminal justice system, even as an 18, 1920 year old College student, always didn't seem okay to me. And I felt like it was a system that was really failing. And I was really interested in that piece of it within sociology. And so I think losing my brother to a 14 year old gang member really dropped me to my knees in so many ways for a long time, I was definitely in some really dark places. But I think my father found forgiveness, and he started the foundation, and he reached out to Tony, who killed my brother's grandfather, and they created this beautiful foundation. And I remember three years after the foundation was founded, my father said, don't you want to come and work here? Is it what you always wanted to do? And I just had to kind of take that first step of peeling off that first layer of forgiveness for myself because I knew holding on to anger, holding on to resentment, staying kind of in a victim space. I kind of didn't really want to live life that much anymore without my brother. So I had to go through my own process. But I'm so glad I did. In 1998, three years after TKF was founded, I joined the staff, and it was the best thing I could have ever done. And I was working and living my purpose, engaging with young people, helping to develop programs to make sure that we help put them on the path of opportunity, the path of healing. I'm blessed that I wake up every day. I'm probably too attached to the one. Well, it makes sense, though. It's a family affair in the sense that your dad and place. Am I saying his name right? Okay. Your dad is Azim. And plus Felix is Tony's grandpa. Yes. And anytime I think of your family's story, I mean, I already can feel the tears are starting.

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No words I can come up with truly would do it justice. But the model of forgiveness that your dad showed and shared with, honestly, the rest of the world, this goes beyond San Diego, really. People know about this all over. He likely would never have known he would be in that situation of having to give that level of forgiveness. And yet he was able to do that. And you saw him do that, and you maybe weren't really fully ready because you were sort of processed. You had your own timeline. You don't have the same timeline. But I do find it remarkable, as does the rest of the world that knows about your story, that your dad arrived at that place pretty early on. Pretty early on, I have to say, from what I know, it is astounding his level of and the word you use compassion for yourself. And then as I pan out of your life and I look down at all the pieces and your grandmas and what they left behind for you and then your brother and then your major sociology with the youth delinquency component. This is divine, in my opinion. Do you know what I mean? The way it just all kind of just fit together so well for your life to do this great thing that you had in you from a little girl, but you didn't know how it was going to manifest. Yeah, we don't you hear it all the time, that everything happens for a reason. All of our experience shape us. We have to trust time and space. And I think that's the spiritual lens piece that we have to just understand that. I think everything what I studied in University and what I went through as a child, I also volunteered at my moth with youth programs and had to fundraise for some of those programs. And then I landed in the corporate world after University. I wanted to take a year off before I went back to grad school because I remember Thor, my brother used to tease me and was like, what are you going to do with an undergrad sociology degree? You're going to be a receptionist. That's what he said. And I laughed at him and I said, well, I was. That was my first job, actually. I did that. And I kind of worked my way up at this big, kind of multimagazine, big corporate firm and ended up becoming a print buyer and all these things. But I think my corporate experience around business combined with kind of the service piece from my mosque and then with the education piece around sociology was, like, totally set me up to come work at PKF. Like, you didn't realize it at the time, but you're like, wow, okay. Yeah. For me, it's not a coincidence that all the pieces lined up so well. And the fact that you were able to arrive at that place of being open to what was happening, but you had to work through it, which is totally understandable. And now it's a joy for you. I can see it on your face. You come to work, you get to do this work in his honor. Let's talk a little bit more about the work, okay? Because not everybody knows what restorative justice is. Can you kind of walk us through that? Your definition would be way better than mine. Well, I mean, the work that TKS does, and then I can kind of tie in the restorative justice piece of it. But what TKS does is we partner with schools to implement educational programs rooted in social emotional learning and restorative practices and restorative justice, and we do that through four different program. But I think the restorative piece for TKF is really a mindset. What does it mean to have a restorative mindset and a restorative mindset is really the importance of first building and thinking about each other as community. Restorative goes back to Indigenous practices. We have been integrating it into our Western society now, but it really goes back around if we are all in community and if someone in our community is hurting, like the criminal justice world, when that happens, you push them out of the circle. We push them out of the circle. Oftentimes we lock them up, right? And then we release them without any kind of support or repair or healing. And we try to throw them back into a circle where others around them are still really mad and angry and hurt, and there's, like, no healing that happens. So I think with the restorative mindset, the easiest way for me to think about that is like, no. When someone's hurting, there's conflict, there's harm, there's tension or strain. You lean them in closer into the circle. Maybe you even put them in the middle of the circle and you help support them in finding those pieces in them where they can overcome, where they can gain clarity, where they can connect, I think we call it to their cellular space. And that's a term my dad coined. But where right and wrong live and where our system lives and where clarity lives. And then we do the repair and the healing so they get integrated back in healthy ways. And so integrating that into school system has been a really core of our programming. How do we help schools build this culture of community? And how do we see behavior or poor choices? How do we see that as a red flag to really unpack what's really going on? So if we get to the root of what's happening, then how do we provide the tools, the resources and the support to make sure that that individual is going to be okay and that we help them heal so they can kind of stay on that path of opportunity for themselves? So in the criminal justice system, restorative justice is yet helping to heal victim. It's helping to also heal offender. It's also helping. It also is healing community. Right. It's all those pieces. But the biggest piece of that is how do you help support and heal the person that's caused the harm? How do you help integrate them back into society and support them on that journey? And I think that's the one thing that our story, the model of our story has been an amazing teaching tool because we continue to pour into Tony. We didn't give up on Tony Hicks. He was the first 14 year old in the state of California to be tried as an adult. That was a decision that my father was very against. He actually advocated that he at least got parole. And of course, my father's forgiveness for Tony happened very quickly. He met Tony only five years after Darwin was killed. We had staff members and board members continue to support Tony while he was incarcerated because it goes back to what we feed grow, right. If we are going to feed anger and resentment and hatred, that's what would grow in Tony. So if we were going to feed forgiveness and compassion and empathy and understanding and second chances, that's what we are going to grow. And for me, like, for me, it took me longer. You know, I was at the foundation for the first from like 1998 to 2003. And even though I forgave Tony. And I think peeled off that first layer, I didn't have a relationship with him. My forgiving Tony was for myself. So I could open up space in my heart to truly do the work of the foundation and honor my brother. He was not someone that was in my psyche, I guess so much. I didn't wish him any ill will. I didn't hold any anger or resentment for him anymore, but I had no desire to have a relationship with him. I just kept doing the work and serving kids and serving my brother. And I healed more, and I healed more. And I peeled off more layers of empathy, more layers of compassion. And then I left the foundation for almost ten plus years staff. I stayed involved with the board, but I got married. I had three kids. I was really focused on my family. And then I went through, like, a really painful divorce. And that experience fueled me back into TKF. I was going through my divorce, and the TKF was like, Will you come back and take the helm again? And it was one of those moments in my life where I was like, what? No, I can't come back. Like, I'm going through one of the most painful things in my life. And I had a mentor tell me, maybe that's why you need to go back. Oh, my gosh. I think TKF saved me in so many ways. I think I was able to pour my heart and soul into something that I loved for me to meet Tony. So in 2015, I met Tony for the first time. After 20 years, I went to prison, met him for the first time. And fast forward to this moment. He's one of the most important people in my life. He's my soul brother, and I advocated three years before his parole hearing for him to be released. But I think with Tony when he was released, we stay true to that. Okay. How do we first ensure Tony gets out? Because that was a big goal. Once he's out, how do we support him in his journey? Being outside the system, someone that's been in the system from 14 to 38? How do you support that person back into and so that's been an important part for our family and for the organization. And now he gets to kind of come back and help heal the community that I think was so harmed when this happened. So everything we do with TKS is part of our RJ journey because it's all part of us. Healing communities. Oh, my goodness. Your family story. And Tony's extended family and extended family. Again, the words, it's so beautiful, even in its sadness and grief. And none of you would have signed up for this. Why would you? It makes no sense. And yet you've taken that grief and you're turning it into so much good for Tony, which is huge, and then modeling that to everyone else. But now the extra added layer of trying to get those kids at those formative years to understand, well, there's actually another way, a different way. And I think we would both say a better way of dealing with emotions or conflict or all of that. And I like the fact that your organization, you're not just looking at the restorative justice side, which is kind of after the fact. In a way, it's really let's get the kids before they're even there before they're at that place. Let's get them before then because you do a lot with I can't remember what your program is about peace. And then you have a conflict resolution program, too. Right. Tell us what the four programs are called as we wrap up here. So we have an assembly based program which is like a 60 minutes program that really has the story at the core, but really talks about the importance of choices and the importance of making sure that we deal with our anger in healthy ways. And that an eye for an eye. Right. What Mahatma Gandhi says will make the whole world blind. So how do we see forgiveness and second chances and Grace and build empathy as a way to deal with harm or conflict that's happened. So really planting those seeds and then the importance of support, like, they don't walk this alone. There's people that care. We care. We're here because we care. We love you, we care. We don't want you to go down this path. So that kind of plants the seed and oftentimes it's a demon place on stage together or me and Tony on stage together. So they kind of see this, like, live example that it is possible to transcend the worst thing you've done or transcend the most painful thing that's happened to you and come together for the greater good. Right. For the greater good, to see humanity in each other always right. And so it's kind of planting that seed and then it moves into we've created a ten session curriculum developed for fifth through 9th grade that really take these pieces of the assembly but really break it down into lessons for kids to give them the tools that they need to really acknowledge their feelings, process their feelings, you know, understand that their needs and feelings and behaviors are all connected, which is always a big AHA moment for them. And so sometimes we make poor choices or we act out in harmful ways to others in ourselves because we're hurting and hurt people. Hurt people. Right. So if we can have that be at our core. And our goal is to help kids move through that piece of healing within themselves and give them the right tools and skills that they need to manage. Life is not even keel. There's ups and downs and pain and sorrow and conflict and external circumstances that they did not choose. So how do they handle that and learn to kind of find that peace within themselves? And so that usually then leads to us launching we do launch peace clubs at school. That's right. It's very leadership focused. So you have young people that may have been kind of going down a tough path, a destructive path, but they have these amazing leadership skills and they are smart and they sometimes rally people around doing wrong. And once they realize why they're doing that and that they could do the same thing and rally people around affecting change, helping to dismantle some of the inequities, dismantle some of the systems in their communities and schools that are not serving them to be change agents, team builders is really like why we wake up at GPS, I think, in so many ways. And then we have an individual mentoring program. So we also place mentors on school campuses to work with students more individually and more holistically. Like, let's look at what's going on at home. Let's look at what's going on in the classroom with a very restorative lens. So restorative is really around when something happens or there's a behavior. The first question is what happened and how did that make you feel? And what needs to happen to make things okay. And oftentimes it's as not simple, but it's as informative for kids to say, I slept on the floor all night. I didn't have breakfast this morning. I have anxiety about my parents losing their job. Kids don't behave just because they want to upset their teacher. Right. And we don't ask enough questions around why. And we don't think about how do I pull you up out of the situation and help you be okay so you can go back into that class and get the knowledge that you need.

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So those are our core programs. And then we developed a parenting program with the Greater Good Science Center out of Berkeley. So we have a Restorative parenting program that also gives parents a different lens to parent with because sometimes we think about discipline as punishment. But really, discipline is growth, right? Yeah. Discipline is an opportunity for growth. Yes, absolutely. That's what Restorative is really about. How do we evolve? How do we grow? How do we strengthen our family bonds? How do we lean in and not push out? Oh, my goodness. This is just so much there's so much Marvel at what you all are doing. And I don't understand why every school district across the nation is not making this, I don't want to say mandatory in a bad way, but folding it into the essential core curriculum. Right. I mean, it makes perfect sense to me. I'd rather that my child or children learn these things than something else that they're never really even going to need later in life because that's not their particular direction. I mean, I'm all for a well rounded education, for sure, but why not have this, which is a real life component that they will need no matter what they do and who they are? Why not be able to rely on that as part of the foundation? Yeah. I mean, I think it's one thing that we're really advocating for. I think TKS kind of has this our program bucket, our direct programming, what we do, especially within San Diego County. We have mentors in schools. We're teaching curriculum and classes. We have our training in. So we train teams outside of San Diego County to implement our programming. That's correct. We have that piece of it. But then we have our advocacy piece around social emotional learning integration and why it's so important that it's not considered an add on school. It has to be part of the core curriculum. It has to be part of the mental hygiene that kids need. It has to be integrated because kids are living in very different times than we grew up in or we lived in. And I think we're living in such a tough climate in our country right now as well. This piece is really crucial for young people and so needed. I mean, they kept coming back from the pandemic with anxiety, anxiety, social isolation, depression. They are academically challenged because because they missed sometimes two full years of in person school. And that's where you really see the inequity gap, because a lot of young people didn't have the same access. The access was not the same. And so when the access is not the same, you have young people coming back with very different levels academically within the same grade or grades. And those are challenges for young people. They feel a sense of worthlessness. They start to develop a lack of confidence within themselves. They feel like they're not smart, and they go through all this negative chatter, and it spirals them down into some really deep holes. And so I think the social emotional piece is so crucial. Well, I am going to continue, obviously, to support TKF, not only appreciate and value the story, which is more than a story, it's a reality of what your family went through. And then, of course, the way that you've really let that fuel kind of what you learn from that experience and how you want it to be in the world you are actually living, that you are doing, that you are being that. And for that, I thank you. You have my continued support for sure. Thank you for taking the time to come on the show and let us know about you and about the work that your family is doing and Tony is doing and plus is doing. I think you feel like they're all family. Right? It's a miracle, really. I think it's a miracle all that has gone on in your brother's name. And I have no doubt that he somewhere somehow knows of this goodness and is beyond delighted and joyous over the work that you all are doing in his name.

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Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a huge fan. We appreciate your support so much. Thank you. Well, you got it for highlighting our work. Yes, it is. Inviting me to sit here and chat with you. It's my pleasure. It's an honor to know of your story and to share it with others. And I do not even on this platform. But my father this morning, he was here to celebrate his birthday, and I was telling him I get to have this conversation later today with Task Green and let me explain to you all of that and what that means. And I told the story, and I got teary eyed, and I was like, I love the work they do. So, yeah, I'm definitely a mouthpiece for what you guys are doing. Thank you. You're welcome. All right, well, I'll get this all together, and I'll let you know when it's out. Yeah, we'll share it, too. Thank you, Kathryn. Thank you so much. Okay. And may you continue to do wonderful, amazing, mighty things in his name. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Chat with you later. Bye.

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Tkf seeks to help the youth find different and better ways to cope with feelings that lead to choices that aren't always good. She knows firsthand the impact this can have on a family. Isn't it something that immeasurable goodness can come from such profound tragedy? I applaud the healing restoration and the work done here. I hope one day there will be a larger awakening to consider this model essential learning for the wellness of our community. Thank you TKF for all you do in terik's name. The Anabashedou website has a page for each guest filled with photos, quotes and a blog with embedded [email protected]. You can find the show and other podcast platforms want to lend your support and encouragement. We invite you to subscribe, follow rate, review and share on Instagram and Facebook. You can find us under Unavashidou if you want to connect. The email is unabashed [email protected] for questions, comments and anything else. If you want to be part of our weekly emailing list highlighting the week's episode, give us a shout. We'd be happy to add you and your info will never be shared. Website visits, social media and word of mouth and sharing these episodes makes us discoverable so thanks for your support there. We want these conversations to help you think celebrate who you are and move you in some way. Be encouraged as you continue to listen, read and be inspired. And now our blessing. Thank you for Tarek. Although his life was not nearly as long as we'd like he bears a legacy of forgiveness and healing. May we want that may we seek peace help us to restore all that is unnecessarily lost by choosing for there we will find healing Amen now go be an abashed be you.