In this episode of Open Gov Stories, Zoe and Danielle who are close friends share with each other what led them to working on transparency and accountability in the US and the biggest challenges moving forward. Zoe discusses feeling a strong patriotism from fighting for the values of transparency and integrity that she was taught this country was based on, her pride as a New Yorker, and her mom who was a whistleblower, and the first time she felt "othered." Danielle discuss understanding the emergence of Trump as the result of normalizing "smaller" ethical violations. They end with a vision of what they hope this work will achieve in a few years.