Binder is back, and this time we are talking all things 30  Americans. In the first half, CMA Director of Art and Learning Jackie  Adams interviews Jannie Harriot of the South Carolina African American Heritage Commission about her life, career, and impressions of the CMA's latest  exhibition. Next, Ray chats with his "cousin," Alabama's Poet Laureate  Ashley M. Jones, on her appointment as poet laureate and her latest  book, Reparations Now!, available through Hub City Press. 30 Americans is on view through January 17, 2022, at the Columbia Museum of Art.

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