As an accountant and a “performance measurement guy”, Mark Anielski understands global economics and GDP, but is interested in how we measure happiness and wellbeing as opposed to measuring output in financial terms.

In his conversation with Ben, he discusses

• The difficulty we all have in understanding where money actually comes from
• How money is created ex nihilo (”out of nothing”), and why this is a problem
• The history of our relationship with money
• A question around the translation of the Lord’s Prayer that relates to debt

Further reading

• An Economy of Well-Being, Mark’s book
• Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness Index
• Herman Daly
• 30 Lies About Money, by Peter Koenig
• Sacred Economics, by Charles Eisenstein
• the Great Reset
• GameStop Crash Wipes Out $5 Billion in Market Value
• And Forgive Them Their Debts, by Michael Hudson
• Hungry ghost
• The Big Short (2015)
• Paul Moore (the HBOS whistleblower)