December 17, 2018

An Interview with Joe Long

1 hour 35 minutes

Welcome Joe Long of Hackerboxes!

Chris and Joe met (in person) at the vendor area of DEF CON 26

0h 0m 26s

Hackerboxes is a subscription service for people who want to build electronics!

0h 1m 15s

It's not solely security focused, but often has elements of security.

0h 3m 3s

It's also not just getting started folks

0h 4m 7s

Used to teach engineering

0h 6m 9s

Joe started as an engineer, going to school at CalTech

0h 7m 3s

AppleII on BBS

0h 7m 9s

Eventually Joe got into IP law

0h 7m 34s

He wanted to build a service the helped Build up the lab

0h 8m 49s

Model car kit vs Lego kit

0h 10m 42s

Most suggestions come from users

0h 15m 41s

Sourcing

0h 17m 25s

Theme sometimes come after the fact

0h 17m 47s

Constraints

Under a pound

Fit in the box shape (10 inches)

Cost constraint

Educational

Coolness

0h 18m 42s

Yagi antenna in HB0023

Don't ship power supplies/ batteries

0h 22m 9s

FAQ

0h 25m 50s

Wielding electricity

0h 30m 41s

Hackerboxes team

0h 32m 39s

They employ someone in Shenzhen to help with sourcing from China

0h 35m 31s

IP attorney

0h 41m 0s

Do you really want a patent?

0h 44m 22s

patents are sometying you use to protect and asset to sell it

0h 44m 58s

chattel

0h 45m 35s

0h 45m 58s

useful, non obvious

0h 47m 58s

Patent troll

0h 48m 50s

Using a patent as a hammer

0h 50m 8s

just to get started, 6 figures

0h 50m 48s

Silicon Valley episode about the Patent Troll

0h 51m 53s

Will try to talk them out of it

0h 54m 8s

Disclosure meeting

0h 54m 46s

6 wheels instead of 4

0h 55m 8s

"Need in the art"

0h 55m 15s

"Unexpected result"

0h 55m 33s

Novel is "necessary but not sufficien"

0h 55m 51s

Utility patent - useful, novel and non obvious

0h 57m 1s

Limited monopoly

0h 59m 35s

patent office is giving a "reason for allowance"

0h 59m 43s

Joe writes claims that capture the engineering terms

1h 3m 27s

Don't want to allow people to "design around"

1h 4m 6s

Patent attorneys see new products every 4 - 6 days

1h 6m 20s

Software patents

1h 9m 5s

Patents for Google Wallet and Bing Maps

1h 9m 34s

Design vs Utility patent

1h 10m 53s

Data analytics example

1h 13m 15s

Machine or transformation test

1h 17m 1s

international patent harmonization

1h 17m 17s

Abstract concepts are never patentable

1h 19m 37s

It's tricky to read patents

1h 21m 21s

If there's an area of technology you like, you might want to read the patent

1h 23m 17s

Pro se patents

1h 23m 53s

Patently obvious

1h 24m 27s

The funnel

1h 26m 5s

$20K for patenting process

1h 26m 17s

70% get issued of that 1% who get through

1h 26m 27s

Patent granted (probably to a big company)

1h 26m 44s

longtechlaw.com

1h 33m 55s

USPTO

1h 34m 10s

Hackerboxes.com

1h 34m 36s

@hackerboxes

1h 35m 41s

...more

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December 17, 2018

An Interview with Joe Long

1 hour 35 minutes

Welcome Joe Long of Hackerboxes!

Chris and Joe met (in person) at the vendor area of DEF CON 26

0h 0m 26s

Hackerboxes is a subscription service for people who want to build electronics!

0h 1m 15s

It's not solely security focused, but often has elements of security.

0h 3m 3s

It's also not just getting started folks

0h 4m 7s

Used to teach engineering

0h 6m 9s

Joe started as an engineer, going to school at CalTech

0h 7m 3s

AppleII on BBS

0h 7m 9s

Eventually Joe got into IP law

0h 7m 34s

He wanted to build a service the helped Build up the lab

0h 8m 49s

Model car kit vs Lego kit

0h 10m 42s

Most suggestions come from users

0h 15m 41s

Sourcing

0h 17m 25s

Theme sometimes come after the fact

0h 17m 47s

Constraints

Under a pound

Fit in the box shape (10 inches)

Cost constraint

Educational

Coolness

0h 18m 42s

Yagi antenna in HB0023

Don't ship power supplies/ batteries

0h 22m 9s

FAQ

0h 25m 50s

Wielding electricity

0h 30m 41s

Hackerboxes team

0h 32m 39s

They employ someone in Shenzhen to help with sourcing from China

0h 35m 31s

IP attorney

0h 41m 0s

Do you really want a patent?

0h 44m 22s

patents are sometying you use to protect and asset to sell it

0h 44m 58s

chattel

0h 45m 35s

0h 45m 58s

useful, non obvious

0h 47m 58s

Patent troll

0h 48m 50s

Using a patent as a hammer

0h 50m 8s

just to get started, 6 figures

0h 50m 48s

Silicon Valley episode about the Patent Troll

0h 51m 53s

Will try to talk them out of it

0h 54m 8s

Disclosure meeting

0h 54m 46s

6 wheels instead of 4

0h 55m 8s

"Need in the art"

0h 55m 15s

"Unexpected result"

0h 55m 33s

Novel is "necessary but not sufficien"

0h 55m 51s

Utility patent - useful, novel and non obvious

0h 57m 1s

Limited monopoly

0h 59m 35s

patent office is giving a "reason for allowance"

0h 59m 43s

Joe writes claims that capture the engineering terms

1h 3m 27s

Don't want to allow people to "design around"

1h 4m 6s

Patent attorneys see new products every 4 - 6 days

1h 6m 20s

Software patents

1h 9m 5s

Patents for Google Wallet and Bing Maps

1h 9m 34s

Design vs Utility patent

1h 10m 53s

Data analytics example

1h 13m 15s

Machine or transformation test

1h 17m 1s

international patent harmonization

1h 17m 17s

Abstract concepts are never patentable

1h 19m 37s

It's tricky to read patents

1h 21m 21s

If there's an area of technology you like, you might want to read the patent

1h 23m 17s

Pro se patents

1h 23m 53s

Patently obvious

1h 24m 27s

The funnel

1h 26m 5s

$20K for patenting process

1h 26m 17s

70% get issued of that 1% who get through

1h 26m 27s

Patent granted (probably to a big company)

1h 26m 44s

longtechlaw.com

1h 33m 55s

USPTO

1h 34m 10s

Hackerboxes.com

1h 34m 36s

@hackerboxes

1h 35m 41s

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