March 22, 2020

An Interview with John Day

1 hour 33 minutes

Welcome, John Day, Technical Fellow and FAE from Microchip!

John has worked at Microchip for 27 years! It was almost startup when he joined in 1993.

He previously had worked on IO subsystem modules at DEC and had interacted with FAEs.

He did some research on the company before joining, by checking out their databook

John's first computers were the C64 and the TRS80.

Microchip was a spin-off of General Instruments in 1989, with Steve Sanghi as the head of the company (still in charge!)

Focus was on low cost components, like ROM

We take In Circuit Emulators (ICE) and In Circuit Programmers (ICP) for granted these days, in the 80s and 90s you could only really use emulators.

With the lower costs, engineers could go to production on an EPROM. This made more devices "field programmable".

Why was the PIC was different when it came out?

There really weren't C compilers

Most programmers are not familiar with the ISA

Used to be writing direct assembly code

Didn't have a lot of peripherals

Wouldn't have a peripheral for i2c/smbus or similar

Timing would be really critical

PIC was single cycle

The first part was the PIC16c64, it had no interrupts, 512 words.

Microchip was early movement into flash, the first component with it was the PIC16f877 in 1997

They were also the first to have in circuit debugging; John Andrews and John Day chatted about having this and did a proposal for the debug registers to the chip designers. The software group followed. This was for MPLAB 8.

ICD1 was developed outside of Microchip, but later pulled in house

It came up after talking to customers about their needs

The PIC32MZ was another good example of working with customers. They talked with Clint Cole and Keith Vogel of Digilent. They ran into an ADC non linearity that drove changes to the silicon.

PIC32EF

In order to issue and errata, engineers need to cut down source code to minimal size for isolation of the issue.

John gets to work with automotive, gaming, commercial, and a lot more types of customers.

Sometimes he finds himself writing code for customers, like special IP that is needed. This happened for a high volume part that needed better test coverage to find errors that happened once every million units. It turned out to be a brownout problem.

John used and likes his Saleae logic.

Microchip started an analog products group in late 90s, especially because a lot of the IP was developed for the microcontrollers.

They bought Microsemi / Actel 2 years ago.

FAEs at Microchip now have "specialist areas"

ATC chips are ultra secure chips that hold root keys

App Notes

The LED Cube is a Harmony reference design, meant for PIC32, Harmony3

In-Circuit Serial Programming (ICSP™) of Calibration Parameters

D/A Conversion Using PWM and R-2R Ladders to Generate Sine and DTMF Waveforms

DTMF for Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS)

The R2R ladder is also used on OpenScope

Piecewise Linear Interpolation on PIC12/14/16 Series

Microcontrollers

Linearizing a sensor with low power components

App notes can take a while: the LED cube took over a year. This is because they're publishing them, in addition to their regular job.

People expect code generator / configurator tools these days, so the nature of app notes have changed.

John assigns himself personal projects to learn new technologies

Building Nixie tube clock to learn boost converters, ethernet stacks (this is shown in the photo above)

Aside from microcontrollers, John is a huge fan of Pinball

"You can always have space for a pinball machine". In fact, he fit a pinball machine in his college dorm room.

Gottleib Genie

Ran on Rockwell 4 bit micros - 3 of them

Batteries used to retain settings, but they would leak and destroy MPU

Ralph Fien in Germany took MAME project and made a pinball machine, which all ran on a RPi

3 PIC18s to talk to IO

There are drivers on separate boards, similar to TIP102s.

4 bit latches on the bus

Periphieral IO Expander (PIA)

NI-WUMPH

Mission Pinball Framework (MPF) allows you to write all your game rules in Python.

Ben Heck made a custom pinball machine

John's first machine was a 1973 Gottleib Kingpin, for which he did a restoration.

You can hear John on The Classic Pinball podcast for episodes 27 and 28.

John has had some interesting experiences as an FAE:

He was offered a gig (in cash) to build a cable tv descrambler

UPS design for a customer in a bad neighborhood

Almost blowing himself up while building high voltage power supply during co-op

John is a fan of Dave's teardowns and learning from them

...more

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March 22, 2020

An Interview with John Day

1 hour 33 minutes

Welcome, John Day, Technical Fellow and FAE from Microchip!

John has worked at Microchip for 27 years! It was almost startup when he joined in 1993.

He previously had worked on IO subsystem modules at DEC and had interacted with FAEs.

He did some research on the company before joining, by checking out their databook

John's first computers were the C64 and the TRS80.

Microchip was a spin-off of General Instruments in 1989, with Steve Sanghi as the head of the company (still in charge!)

Focus was on low cost components, like ROM

We take In Circuit Emulators (ICE) and In Circuit Programmers (ICP) for granted these days, in the 80s and 90s you could only really use emulators.

With the lower costs, engineers could go to production on an EPROM. This made more devices "field programmable".

Why was the PIC was different when it came out?

There really weren't C compilers

Most programmers are not familiar with the ISA

Used to be writing direct assembly code

Didn't have a lot of peripherals

Wouldn't have a peripheral for i2c/smbus or similar

Timing would be really critical

PIC was single cycle

The first part was the PIC16c64, it had no interrupts, 512 words.

Microchip was early movement into flash, the first component with it was the PIC16f877 in 1997

ICD1 was developed outside of Microchip, but later pulled in house

It came up after talking to customers about their needs

The PIC32MZ was another good example of working with customers. They talked with Clint Cole and Keith Vogel of Digilent. They ran into an ADC non linearity that drove changes to the silicon.

PIC32EF

In order to issue and errata, engineers need to cut down source code to minimal size for isolation of the issue.

John gets to work with automotive, gaming, commercial, and a lot more types of customers.

John used and likes his Saleae logic.

Microchip started an analog products group in late 90s, especially because a lot of the IP was developed for the microcontrollers.

They bought Microsemi / Actel 2 years ago.

FAEs at Microchip now have "specialist areas"

ATC chips are ultra secure chips that hold root keys

App Notes

The LED Cube is a Harmony reference design, meant for PIC32, Harmony3

In-Circuit Serial Programming (ICSP™) of Calibration Parameters

D/A Conversion Using PWM and R-2R Ladders to Generate Sine and DTMF Waveforms

DTMF for Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS)

The R2R ladder is also used on OpenScope

Piecewise Linear Interpolation on PIC12/14/16 Series

Microcontrollers

Linearizing a sensor with low power components

App notes can take a while: the LED cube took over a year. This is because they're publishing them, in addition to their regular job.

People expect code generator / configurator tools these days, so the nature of app notes have changed.

John assigns himself personal projects to learn new technologies

Building Nixie tube clock to learn boost converters, ethernet stacks (this is shown in the photo above)

Aside from microcontrollers, John is a huge fan of Pinball

"You can always have space for a pinball machine". In fact, he fit a pinball machine in his college dorm room.

Gottleib Genie

Ran on Rockwell 4 bit micros - 3 of them

Batteries used to retain settings, but they would leak and destroy MPU

Ralph Fien in Germany took MAME project and made a pinball machine, which all ran on a RPi

3 PIC18s to talk to IO

There are drivers on separate boards, similar to TIP102s.

4 bit latches on the bus

Periphieral IO Expander (PIA)

NI-WUMPH

Mission Pinball Framework (MPF) allows you to write all your game rules in Python.

Ben Heck made a custom pinball machine

John's first machine was a 1973 Gottleib Kingpin, for which he did a restoration.

You can hear John on The Classic Pinball podcast for episodes 27 and 28.

John has had some interesting experiences as an FAE:

He was offered a gig (in cash) to build a cable tv descrambler

UPS design for a customer in a bad neighborhood

Almost blowing himself up while building high voltage power supply during co-op

John is a fan of Dave's teardowns and learning from them

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