I interviewed Robert Graham on the S4x19 Main Stage. We brought him to the S4 Stage for his contrarian views.

Some of the topics we discussed in the podcast:

- The downside to IoT regulation and virtue signaling

- Likely threat agents, broad not specific targets and the birthday paradox

- Does Rob expect another Stuxnet?

- Whether seat belts actually save lives and questioning controls (and can we apply this to anti-virus in ICS)