Welcome to the Wise Elders Podcast, the place where I seek the secret sauce of wisdom. I'm your host, Matt Ditty, a clinical social worker with 20 years of experience building lives worth living with high risk, difficult to treat mental health issues. I'm joined today by Nat Jungbluth, a psychologist specializing in the treatment of anxiety, PTSD, and other issues facing children and families. We use our own friendship to explore how to make friends (1:30) and then explore wisdom using the Self Assessed Wisdom Scale (SAWS; 16:30). Enjoy!