UK based painter and Passage Prize 3 judge Matthew the Stoat joins me to discuss the state of art today, and we ask how can the work of art help get us out of the morass of post-modernity? We also careen off topic and discuss black metal and one of our favorite bands, Agalloch.Follow Passage Press on twitter and visit the Passage Press website to buy their books, and follow me on twitter @astralflite to join these conversations live, and on Substack to get much more content.

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