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Great CX teams use the only proven CX method
Do you want a team so solid that its culture can survive a purge? We’ll teach you how to do it in our Team Training. Two features set our class apart from every other CX training out there:
* We have evidence. Ishmael Interactive teaches the human-centered design (HCD) System, the only method for end-to-end customer experience improvement that stands on the foundation of evidence. No aspirational theory here: just practical, real-world results.
* We wrote it all down. We’re so confident that HCD works that we wrote it all down in a Guide series that underwent years of applied testing in organizations both large and small. These step-by-step, fully user-tested HCD Guides spell out the methods that produce effective, efficient, and emotionally resonate solutions for internal and external customers, and you get to keep them forever. No ongoing subscription fees; no land-and-expand consultant projects.
Ishmael Interactive’s team training teaches you the same design-led, human-centered approaches that made the GSA Service Design team so effective at driving change at scale. In the training, you’ll learn:
* How to talk to customers so you get the information you need to make meaningful change at the lowest cost.
* How to evaluate your resources so that you know what’s viable for your organization to produce and sustain.
* How to prepare for, launch, and continuously deliver a lasting product, service, program, or system into the world. No helicoptering in; no immense tech debt.
* How to measure the value and impact of your work and know that you are being truly effective at solving customer problems.
At $795 per attendee for two days of training, you’ll pay a fraction of what business consultancies charge for theory-heavy workshops, and you’ll leave with practical methods proven in a real-world government setting where the stakes—and the bureaucracy—were both very real.
Show Notes
Four federal employees discuss the January-March 2025 reduction in force efforts at GSA that eliminated entire teams, including the Office of Customer Experience’s Service Design - Enterprise Digital Experience unit. The conversation reveals how the elimination of specialized teams doing digital modernization and customer experience work represents not just job losses but the wholesale destruction of institutional knowledge, proven methodologies, and the government’s capacity to tackle complex problems.
By Ishmael InteractiveBefore you jump in…
Ishmael Interactive subscribers get our business intelligence delivered every Tuesday, directly to their inboxes. Subscription gets you:
* Early access to the weekly pod
* Accompanying articles and team analysis providing context and commentary on the interview
* Access to the entire Ishmael Interactive back catalogue of CX and business intelligence publications
* Special access, offers, and discounts on Ishmael Interactive’s upcoming products and services.
Subscribe on Ishmael Interactive
Not quite ready to subscribe directly?
Keep up with us here on Substack, where we publish the CX Pod weekly!
Great CX teams use the only proven CX method
Do you want a team so solid that its culture can survive a purge? We’ll teach you how to do it in our Team Training. Two features set our class apart from every other CX training out there:
* We have evidence. Ishmael Interactive teaches the human-centered design (HCD) System, the only method for end-to-end customer experience improvement that stands on the foundation of evidence. No aspirational theory here: just practical, real-world results.
* We wrote it all down. We’re so confident that HCD works that we wrote it all down in a Guide series that underwent years of applied testing in organizations both large and small. These step-by-step, fully user-tested HCD Guides spell out the methods that produce effective, efficient, and emotionally resonate solutions for internal and external customers, and you get to keep them forever. No ongoing subscription fees; no land-and-expand consultant projects.
Ishmael Interactive’s team training teaches you the same design-led, human-centered approaches that made the GSA Service Design team so effective at driving change at scale. In the training, you’ll learn:
* How to talk to customers so you get the information you need to make meaningful change at the lowest cost.
* How to evaluate your resources so that you know what’s viable for your organization to produce and sustain.
* How to prepare for, launch, and continuously deliver a lasting product, service, program, or system into the world. No helicoptering in; no immense tech debt.
* How to measure the value and impact of your work and know that you are being truly effective at solving customer problems.
At $795 per attendee for two days of training, you’ll pay a fraction of what business consultancies charge for theory-heavy workshops, and you’ll leave with practical methods proven in a real-world government setting where the stakes—and the bureaucracy—were both very real.
Show Notes
Four federal employees discuss the January-March 2025 reduction in force efforts at GSA that eliminated entire teams, including the Office of Customer Experience’s Service Design - Enterprise Digital Experience unit. The conversation reveals how the elimination of specialized teams doing digital modernization and customer experience work represents not just job losses but the wholesale destruction of institutional knowledge, proven methodologies, and the government’s capacity to tackle complex problems.