The Holy Ordinary Podcast is a “pop-up” podcast that explores the contemplative dimensions of everyday life. Every so often, host Mark Longhurst interviews authors, thinkers, and activists who illuminate the sacred, the just, and the beautiful in the midst of the ordinary. This episode is a re-release of an interview with Lerita Coleman Brown (1954-2025). Brown was a retreat leader, a spiritual director, and the author of the book “What Makes You Come Alive: A Spiritual Walk With Howard Thurman.” Brown spent years studying the life and wisdom of Howard Thurman, and she shared her learning in a way that impacts our everyday quest for God. Topics covered include: Thurman’s nonviolence, his influence on Martin Luther King Jr., and how he understood mysticism as a creative response of life.

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