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00:05.56

Jonathan Guerrero

This episode is an update on the Ancients franchise. If the Ancients sounds familiar, it's because the Ancients characters were featured in an episode called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If you haven't listened to that episode, I would encourage you to stop and listen to that episode first and then come back to this one so everything will have context and make sense.

00:26.52

Jonathan Guerrero

Now we're going to get an update on the growth of the Ancients franchise. and how you can get your own Ancients characters. And we're going to do all this in just a moment. So don't go anywhere.

01:16.50

Jonathan Guerrero

Greetings everyone. Thank you so much for joining me and my co-host Isaac. Hello everyone. Welcome to the Fatherhood Challenge. I am very pleased to have the creator of the Ancients franchise here with us.

01:28.54

Jonathan Guerrero

And he's here.

01:29.12

Howard Quiggly Chang

Hi.

01:29.34

Jonathan Guerrero

He's joining us remotely. His name is Howard Chang. Howard, welcome to the Fatherhood Challenge.

01:35.06

Howard Quiggly Chang

Hey, thanks for having me back again. ah appreciate this.

01:40.06

Jonathan Guerrero

So I got to start out with my favorite dad joke. What is the best way to save your dad jokes?

01:49.24

Howard Quiggly Chang

I have no idea.

01:51.22

Jonathan Guerrero

What? In a data and a database.

01:55.61

Howard Quiggly Chang

Ah, okay.

01:59.77

Howard Quiggly Chang

Love it

02:02.06

Jonathan Guerrero

Isaac doesn't look so good. You ready for the next one?

02:08.80

Howard Quiggly Chang

it. Am I ready?

02:09.11

Jonathan Guerrero

the The next joke?

02:09.62

Howard Quiggly Chang

Should I be?

02:10.03

Jonathan Guerrero

Yes. Oh, yeah you got two? I'm sorry, there's two. ah Howard, bear with me.

02:17.72

Howard Quiggly Chang

I'm brazing.

02:19.74

Jonathan Guerrero

So I learned something really interesting yesterday. yesterday Apparently, dogs can't operate um ah um MRI machines, but cats can.

02:34.99

Howard Quiggly Chang

That's cute.

02:36.46

Jonathan Guerrero

All right.

02:37.97

Howard Quiggly Chang

Oh, I got one. ah why did the Why did the tomato blush?

02:39.08

Jonathan Guerrero

Can we, can we?

02:43.08

Jonathan Guerrero

Why?

02:44.31

Howard Quiggly Chang

Because he saw the salad dressing.

02:50.94

Howard Quiggly Chang

that That was probably the worst one today. yeah

02:53.78

Jonathan Guerrero

I like that one.

02:56.18

Howard Quiggly Chang

That's lovely.

02:58.36

Jonathan Guerrero

We got a bonus today. Three jokes. We don't even get one joke sometimes. Oh, that's true.

03:06.42

Howard Quiggly Chang

Okay. so So now that we lost all our list listeners.

03:07.12

Jonathan Guerrero

Ugh.

03:13.85

Jonathan Guerrero

oh

03:16.41

Jonathan Guerrero

Howard, this is a question that has been picking on my mind for a bit. And actually, these two questions are going to be in the same one. Why? Because they both have something to do with the same place.

03:28.92

Jonathan Guerrero

So one time, me and my dad were walking into a trading card store, since I love football cards and I collect them. I guess that's like a hobby that I do. I like collecting football cards.

03:40.71

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah.

03:41.11

Jonathan Guerrero

And inside of that store, i we saw a bunch of Lego sets, which was kind of weird even though it's a trading card store. But anyway, we came inside and we saw bunch of Lego sets.

03:52.98

Jonathan Guerrero

And this leads down to my first question. I asked my dad, I'm like, hmm, what if they made Lego ancients? And he's like, hmm, whoa, whoa, whoa! And he was like, whoa, that's actually not a bad idea!

04:06.49

Jonathan Guerrero

if So have you considered... And I said it just like that. That's not a idea. So have you considered making trading cards or a Lego version of ancients?

04:21.42

Howard Quiggly Chang

That's a very good question. You know, this Ancients franchise, it's not not limited to what we're doing. I'm only doing what we're doing, making the art toys, collectible figurines, because number one, we can afford to do that, kind of, and that's something we can do right away.

04:41.08

Howard Quiggly Chang

But a lot of exciting things to share today. we have a huge story that's about to be released. and Nothing's impossible. I mean, I was at the LA comic con in, in November of 2025. And I saw a lot of vendors selling Legos that are, at are like, you know, Batman Legos and all that. There's, you can do Legos as those tiny figures that you can put on your Lego sets, or you can actually do a whole license, something with Lego to do an actual build.

05:16.34

Howard Quiggly Chang

You know, you can like, I don't know if you remember the thing called bionics or something like that. um But we could do something like that as long as they're okay with it and we can sell it to them. We'd love to have a Lego ancients.

05:32.98

Howard Quiggly Chang

And as far as trading cards are concerned, yeah, I have a lot of friends who are really into trading cards. I used to collect. and I actually have a bunch of football cards, Isaac. I have a like real old ones from my past. have a bunch of Emmett Smiths still in their case and everything. so i got I know all about cards, but um you know when you do trading cards like Pokemon or One Piece,

06:02.46

Howard Quiggly Chang

And we're a perfect match for it because we're gonna have we could have thousands of characters. so There are so many characters in the Bible. So we really align the Ancients franchise to be a mix between Robotech. If you look it up, it's a really cool robot show I used to watch when I was a kid mixed with Pokemon.

06:23.70

Howard Quiggly Chang

Pokemon because there's so many characters that that can come out of it. You know, the prophets, the the legends, to the villains.

06:29.63

Jonathan Guerrero

you you know

06:30.36

Howard Quiggly Chang

So there's there's a whole opportunity there. So we we've been actually talking to a couple of ah board game companies, and they also specialize in in cards. And I was at the West Coast Card Show last year, and there are people very interested in helping me build an ancient card set.

06:51.77

Howard Quiggly Chang

out but it takes a lot of work because um if you know pokemon and one piece they're actually games they have their powers and their strengths and you can like compete against each other right so that part's hard to figure out but once that's ready it could be tied into a board game or something but Yeah, car trading cars are definitely 100%. We're gonna do that.

07:17.18

Howard Quiggly Chang

As soon as you find the right partner and Legos man, I mean, Isaac, I'd love to do it.

07:23.06

Jonathan Guerrero

yeah i mean i'm like really in the trading cards and i love them so that's just that's good to hear

07:27.56

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah.

07:30.10

Jonathan Guerrero

on

07:30.26

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, a whole world of trading cards has have opened up to me. They're saying that trading cards now are a better investment than stock or stocks or even Bitcoin, right?

07:41.94

Howard Quiggly Chang

So we'll see where it goes with the ancient trading cards. It could be the the big thing.

07:47.14

Jonathan Guerrero

That actually makes a lot of sense to me because there is less volatility in the trading card industry than there is in crypto and Bitcoin.

07:55.99

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, yeah. I mean...

07:56.98

Jonathan Guerrero

Or even the stock market.

07:58.51

Howard Quiggly Chang

It's really hard to break in to trading cards unless you have a lot of things in place, like number one, the game and everything. So what they're saying is before you tie into a company that can help manufacture and get the trading cards out to the market, they're saying that I should start drawing and doing some one-offs, right? Original, right?

08:24.57

Howard Quiggly Chang

like David and Goliath trading card. And I'll just sketch it out. And these are one of the kinds and um it'll get the ball rolling. So that's something that I'm considering, but we got, we'll talk about it today on the show, but there's a lot of things going on right now.

08:42.07

Jonathan Guerrero

Good to hear. Why are ancient robots instead of humans? For example, why do you think God wanted it that way?

08:52.38

Howard Quiggly Chang

um I don't know if I ah shared it with you guys on the first episode, but, um you know, when I first thought of ancients, you know, it was, I wanted something to buy for my kids who were roughly four, six, and nine at the time. And um I was looking it up, like, what can I get for my kids that's, you know, Bible-facing, right?

09:17.94

Howard Quiggly Chang

something that you know could you can you can share your your faith with. And I couldn't find anything. The only thing I said i found were you know just David and Goliath wearing a loincloth and fighting each other. And I guarantee if I bought that for my kids, they would disown me.

09:34.26

Howard Quiggly Chang

I wouldn't be here today. right

09:35.94

Jonathan Guerrero

Thank you.

09:36.50

Howard Quiggly Chang

but um So during a time of prayer, I was in prayer, i was looking at, I was near the Christmas tree and I'm like, the the Christmas tree, the Christmas is, um you know, celebrating Jesus' birthday and nothing beyond secular is interesting to anybody to get gifts for during Christmas.

10:01.11

Howard Quiggly Chang

So I just imagined what I could create since I had a background in toys, Ninja Turtles and Star Trek and what have in the past. And man, in prayer, i was getting I was getting these visions and there were robots. And i maybe because I grew up loving robots, you know, and oh what cooler thing than robots for kids to want for christmas right and these these images would and let's just continue to to to come and it was mainly during prayer and i would actually see shapes and images and i would draw it out and on on paper and um you know 10 years later and i had a few times when i was trying to pursue it but i got busy

10:25.46

Jonathan Guerrero

Yeah. yeah

10:46.55

Howard Quiggly Chang

But here I am, and these images I had during prayer are now on paper and in 3D form.

10:55.58

Jonathan Guerrero

Well, Japan has heavily influenced the comic industry. And so I'm wondering if maybe God had Japan in his sights.

11:04.86

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, I mean, if you know... ah i'm I'm Korean American, but I know that a lot of my friends have been to Japan. It's really spiritually challenged ah when it comes to biblical teaching and and faith.

11:24.95

Howard Quiggly Chang

And yeah I mean, Japan... led the world with anime right all the all the robots the the first one i used to really enjoy when i was a kid was mazinga and they had you know all these shogun warriors um robotech came from their uh gunnam uh robots and maybe i don't know maybe god wants us to penetrate japan with these robots that come from america

11:58.94

Jonathan Guerrero

Have you made more characters yet?

12:01.91

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yes, I've always been designing them, but just a long story short, we're just trying to get these out right now as soon as we can. and As soon as they're out and as soon as we can um just...

12:17.88

Howard Quiggly Chang

get the ball rolling, I'm really ready to release them and finish them up. I have ah an amazing Pharaoh character, but I just need to finish it up a little bit. ah Moses will be coming out. We're coming out with the prophet models.

12:32.34

Jonathan Guerrero

Arrow

12:32.62

Howard Quiggly Chang

isaiah Isaiah, you know, and and Daniel and everyone else. But yeah, I mean, this is going to be ongoing. We're going to have, i mean, we're excited. i mean, we're starting with eight characters, which you already guys already know.

12:46.46

Howard Quiggly Chang

But you know

12:47.69

Jonathan Guerrero

Isaac's excited right now like you should see him.

12:49.62

Howard Quiggly Chang

we're trying to come out with everything.

12:50.30

Jonathan Guerrero

He's in shock What talking about?

12:52.70

Howard Quiggly Chang

But if you see...

12:53.85

Jonathan Guerrero

I'm in shock. You're also in shock, too. Okay. I am a little bit too. Yeah see

12:57.72

Howard Quiggly Chang

I'm in shock, guys. You know? And this this is like, imagine if this is God's work, imagine what but what else he's going to come up with. Right. I mean, imagine Pharaoh holding his staff and like Cobra figure coming out of the top of his he helmet.

13:15.77

Howard Quiggly Chang

And then he's got the the colors. And yes, it's exciting.

13:27.43

Jonathan Guerrero

Have you made the games or the movies yet? Are there plans to do so?

13:31.93

Howard Quiggly Chang

um

13:34.23

Jonathan Guerrero

But if you told me, then you'd have to kill me.

13:34.26

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yes.

13:37.05

Howard Quiggly Chang

ah Well, there's a ah lot of things happening now, as I mentioned before at the start of the podcast. Exciting stuff. um We have a meeting with a major toy company, a second meeting now. They want us to bring in the story bible.

13:54.07

Howard Quiggly Chang

tomorrow at 1 p.m. on the 7th of March. So it's exciting. We had ah our first meeting three months ago, two months ago, I think, and then they want us back in.

14:06.62

Howard Quiggly Chang

And um I can't name names, but they have toys in Walmart, Toys R Us. I mean, not Toys R Us, Target, Amazon, everywhere. right They're major toy company. um I was shocked at first. I didn't think they would be interested in anything spiritual, but...

14:25.40

Howard Quiggly Chang

they actually thought it was pretty cool. And what we've been working on, a story bible is basically if you have any IP, that's intellectual property, like toys, figures, whatever,

14:40.25

Howard Quiggly Chang

Like what world do they live in What are the elements? Give us a detail of each character, what they like, what what their strengths are and everything. So we created a story Bible and we got help from one of our advisors, our close friend, who is a movie producer.

14:59.00

Howard Quiggly Chang

He worked on a lot of Will Smith films, right? So he's helped us draw up an amazing story. There's lot of human characters in there. with The guy who created it, the 10-year-old son who was ah who was a prodigy who figured out the last step to get the spirits into the robots.

15:19.45

Howard Quiggly Chang

And then it's like five years later, him and his group of friends are actually the main force fighting Professor Ball's attempt to take over the world with Goliath, Sarah, Pharaoh, and all the the villains in the Bible.

15:33.24

Howard Quiggly Chang

So, yeah, I mean, another meeting ah tomorrow. And the story Bible is being sent to a production company who has a lot of shows on Netflix. They're having a meeting with about ancients coming up.

15:50.28

Jonathan Guerrero

What were God's original intentions for ancients?

15:55.48

Howard Quiggly Chang

um you like I can't tell you, but from my feelings and my thoughts is that from how the idea came was I wanted the Bible to be represented in the coolest way possible.

16:12.38

Howard Quiggly Chang

um the way the world was turning, every time you mentioned the Bible, people's heads look away. I don't know if you've noticed, right?

16:23.06

Howard Quiggly Chang

The Bible's the number one best-selling book ever to humanity. And I wanted the stories to be exposed.

16:35.19

Howard Quiggly Chang

And like the ancients are not going to reproduce the stories in the Bible, but they're the characters that that were in the stories. And I wanted to bring them out, and I wanted to bring the curiosity of people to learn about the the stories in the Bible. That has changed my life and millions of people's lives just by bringing hope. you know And if you look at all the the heroes in the Bible, there weren't any superheroes like Batman or Superman. There were just broken people, in a lot of them.

17:05.14

Howard Quiggly Chang

Just the regular Joes who um decided to use faith instead of doing things that aren't on accord.

17:16.92

Jonathan Guerrero

One thing I find that's interesting is when God lays out a master plan for your life and he gives you what seems like an impossible assignment. And the part of this, I'm speaking from my own experience.

17:29.85

Jonathan Guerrero

One, God gives you the tools to do it. And number two his purpose is twofold. And one purpose is you, your own spiritual and personal and character development.

17:44.15

Jonathan Guerrero

that you can't undertake a task like that and not grow. those two just go together. You're going to be challenged. You're going to have times when you're facing a wall that you cannot get over in your humanity. And the only way you're going to get past that challenge is your faith in God. It's to trust God to get you past that challenge to do the impossible.

18:09.02

Jonathan Guerrero

So you grow. And then the other part of it is God just has a bleeding heart for humanity. Literally a bleeding heart for humanity.

18:21.05

Jonathan Guerrero

through what Jesus did, so much so that a lot of these Comic-Cons are our demonic turf. And we talked about this in the last episode that we did. There are a lot of demonically influenced characters that appear at these events.

18:37.30

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah. yep

18:38.01

Jonathan Guerrero

And so God is sending you and sending ancients into demonic turf. And the playbook is the same. So when these kids walk up to a demonically inspired character, and they get curious about it, and they pick it up, and they handle it and they play with it, and they ask questions, and they're curious.

18:57.53

Jonathan Guerrero

That is consent. That is an open door. And many of those kids and adults will walk out of those events with a with a demonic spirit attached to them that will stay with them until something changes, until that consent changes.

19:15.26

Jonathan Guerrero

So by the same token, the same rules apply to the Holy Spirit's side. So when you're showing up with these events and kids are showing up and you've told me about the lines where they're just curious and they want to know what these characters are, they want to know what the writing is on the side, how they can find the original story so they can read it for themselves.

19:34.16

Howard Quiggly Chang

Mm-hmm.

19:38.22

Jonathan Guerrero

That is also consent. That is also an open door, but for the Holy Spirit this time. You know, that actually, um at the beginning there, when you're talking about how God will give you specific assignment, He'll give you a task that feels impossible, that reminded me a lot about Moses.

19:57.21

Jonathan Guerrero

And another part, because also like you were saying at the very end of of what you're talking about there, when you come home with handling those ancients, And that's why they have, and like Howard has said, um that's why they have the writing on the side of it. So then you can find it. So that you can find where it is in the Bible.

20:17.30

Howard Quiggly Chang

Right. um I think Jonathan, you hit a good point. You know, the whole industry of collectibles and the entertainment in general is all about just ah ah the mean, wicked look of a character that looks so awesome, that blood coming out of this it's its fangs. You know what i mean? um That's what's been leading all entertainment lately, majority of it, right?

20:51.77

Howard Quiggly Chang

And you know this ah this is a gargantuan task. um you know I remember somewhere that you know when you want to do something, don't do something where you think you can handle it is within your means.

21:06.68

Howard Quiggly Chang

do something that's God-sized, that's impossible. um to To create an IP like this, to create something that we think can have international appeal, like some kid in Africa one day, never even heard of what the Bible is, looks at it, collects it, loves it.

21:24.98

Howard Quiggly Chang

And then somehow he's interested in the the background story and everything. Yeah, that is the vision. But to have that vision, you need half a billion dollars. You need 500 million to just even have a chance at doing something like this.

21:41.14

Howard Quiggly Chang

So, you know, when God tells you to do something God's eyes, do something that you know you can't do with your own power. And if ancients does become a world...

21:52.98

Howard Quiggly Chang

wide sensation you know for sure it wasn't me i grew like you said during that process but it was definitely god doing the work and he will be glorified and we we just know that when he gives you an assignment don't shy away don't overthink it thinking i need this much money i don't have it so i can't do it You know, just go for it. like Like Isaac said, reminds me of Moses, right? And all the characters, of car characters in the Bible, Joseph, Daniel, you you name it.

22:31.61

Jonathan Guerrero

What feedback have you been getting from others about ancients?

22:36.28

Howard Quiggly Chang

Oh, man, I think so far, I'd like to say 99% excitement. The 1% are some people that were saying, I don't know why toys would be so expensive. And ah we just respond, it's not toys. These are collectible from the artists themselves.

22:55.38

Howard Quiggly Chang

When the toys come out, let's say the the mainstream toys come out, they will be around $12 to $20 right? Because they have the full manufacturing capacity. And some people would say, actually quote that these look demonic.

23:11.46

Howard Quiggly Chang

Well, they could... They can see it from many different views, right? But overall, people love it. lot of great feedback.

23:23.83

Jonathan Guerrero

How has the Christian community helped with the sharing of ancients with the world?

23:28.63

Howard Quiggly Chang

Oh, they love it. um So far, the the small community that that we're involved with. I don't know if you know, but we we also did the Alpha Omega Con, which is a a Christian and biblical convention that was here in SoCal. We're going to go again.

23:46.40

Howard Quiggly Chang

It's, a you know, I mean, the main thing with this project is we need all the connections. We need to raise money to get to where we want to get.

23:58.01

Howard Quiggly Chang

But it it has been easy. When the word money comes into play, a lot of people shy away. And I don't expect everybody to you know to come in. But we're we're faithful that God will provide.

24:14.55

Jonathan Guerrero

I know in the last episode, you mentioned that even at most of the popular Comic Cons, there's still interest. There's still curiosity for these characters. What has been your experience with that curiosity at other Comic Cons?

24:30.81

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, you know, um we didn't do many. We've only done Comic-Con. Where we go? We did one to a few smaller events San Diego. We did the DesignerCon in Las Vegas.

24:45.53

Howard Quiggly Chang

We walked around and and got support from LA Comic-Con. And in two weeks, we'll be at WonderCon here in Anaheim.

24:57.18

Howard Quiggly Chang

But overall, not it's not always Christians that come by, but especially if they're people of faith, they would come over and say, hey, you know, my son's name is Nehemiah. Please make Nehemiah soon. And we get a lot of great support from believers, even the nonbelievers. They just come over and just love to look and feel of it.

25:18.10

Howard Quiggly Chang

They would ask when it's going to be available. And a Number one thing, let me jump to something. The biggest problem we've been having is, you know how all of our characters' our eyes light up?

25:30.30

Howard Quiggly Chang

And, you know, yeah, that's that's the hardest thing to do when it comes to manufacturing.

25:30.74

Jonathan Guerrero

Yeah, I love that feature. That's the coolest part about them almost. Almost.

25:36.53

Howard Quiggly Chang

And it took us this long just to get the lighting feature to two so we can be able to um recharge it with the USB-C cord and have that that button and make it fit for all the characters.

25:50.17

Howard Quiggly Chang

And But you know what? I'm not going to shy away. A lot of people said, just take away the lighting feature and you'll be able to sell it like tomorrow. But we've been delaying just to get that lighting feature going.

26:02.97

Howard Quiggly Chang

And most people love the lighting feature. And one of my main goals is to have a light in a dark world, right? Especially when you imagine your your ancient eyes are lit up at night.

26:16.66

Howard Quiggly Chang

You know, how great is that? You know?

26:17.82

Jonathan Guerrero

yeah Yeah, I can just picture laying down in my in my room at night and just staring off to the side and looking at the eyes blowing up on them. Isaac votes to keep the lights.

26:28.60

Howard Quiggly Chang

Exactly.

26:30.33

Jonathan Guerrero

Yes, I vote to keep the lights.

26:32.82

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, I mean, yeah, people that we did a survey at DesignerCon. And what's your favorite feature? And most people said they love the light lighted eyes, right?

26:43.26

Howard Quiggly Chang

and

26:43.35

Jonathan Guerrero

Yeah, also love with the hair flowing back behind him i don't know if it's hairs, but yeah.

26:47.32

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah, well, what it is, it's it's called the Luminara. It's in the story Bible. So the technology, they're robots, but they're operated by spirits, right? But the there's a glowing or orb, like for David, it's is's light blue.

27:03.58

Howard Quiggly Chang

And there's like flowing tendrils that come out of it, like an octopus, right? And that's this that's what encases and holds the spirits. And once it's put into the robots, that spirit operates that robot.

27:17.69

Howard Quiggly Chang

So it's almost like a kind of a predator kind of feeling, which I loved watching when I was a kid. I still do. i love predator. And that was my influence.

27:34.30

Jonathan Guerrero

Do you have any testimonies of or testimonials of how Anxious has helped to share the truth of the Bible and who Jesus is with others, especially with kids?

27:46.23

Howard Quiggly Chang

ah You know, not as of yet, because we're not out there in the market yet. We we haven't sold. We have all the pre-orders from Kickstarter and our website, but it's not in people's hands yet.

27:59.67

Howard Quiggly Chang

I can't really say, but I'll give you a testimony. and I'm doing this. We know that it's going to take all the faith in the world to to just keep our head above water.

28:10.78

Howard Quiggly Chang

And, you know, we, Gloria, my wife and I, we've been going to this local church that has a morning service every single day, rain or shine. And we wake up 5.30 every day. every day we We said, let's do it three times a week. We've we've been going six times a week.

28:29.18

Howard Quiggly Chang

And Sunday is it church service. But we've been we feel like, dude, we've got to go. at first, it was hard waking up at 5.20 every morning. But now, like we depend on it.

28:40.31

Howard Quiggly Chang

So like going back to answer your previous question, yeah, I mean, it's a... We've been growing spiritually just by working on this project.

28:54.23

Jonathan Guerrero

How can dads find Ancients characters for their kids?

28:58.16

Howard Quiggly Chang

Um... it's going to be available soon like i said we're still manufacturing it's taking a long time mainly because of the lights and the money situation but if you go to ancients.com that's ancients with the z not a s all our characters our information's on the website you can see the link to our instagram and everything but now we have a pre-order website open And we're anticipating shipping this out next month in April, mid-April or so.

29:30.14

Howard Quiggly Chang

um The initial first series is called the Alpha Series because we don't quite have the money to do full manufacturing overseas yet. Only the light pieces are done overseas, and going to Actually, you may want to get the Alpha series because it's going to be a limited edition. We're going to make it by hand.

29:49.71

Howard Quiggly Chang

I'm going to be hand painting it myself, most of them. So that's what that's going to be available.

29:53.50

Jonathan Guerrero

Oh yeah, we definitely want those.

29:56.33

Howard Quiggly Chang

And then once the Alpha series is done, we might have the Beta series where We're going to just order maybe 10,000 pieces. But once we get to full production, you know hopefully we have them multi-million dollar investment. We're going to be able to do full production with our factories overseas.

30:14.87

Jonathan Guerrero

So just to make things easier, if you go to thefatherhoodchallenge.com, that's thefatherhoodchallenge.com, And if you go to the episode called An Update on the Ancients Franchise, and An Update on the Ancients Franchise, look right below the episode description. I'm going to have the links that were mentioned posted right there for your convenience.

30:38.81

Jonathan Guerrero

So, Howard, as we close, what is your challenge for dads listening?

30:45.56

Howard Quiggly Chang

Oh man, I personally, i have three kids of my own. As you know, I've been a single dad for 13 years. So my oldest daughter just turned 21.

31:02.01

Howard Quiggly Chang

My second's in college now in UC Riverside, 18. My youngest one's an 11th grader. You know, i've I've learned a lot being a single dad I've learned a now i'm remarried with gloria so we she has two kids so 23 turning 24 and 22 so yeah i'm i can say i'm a father of five kids one of the things i learned um going through fatherhood is you know sometimes you gotta let the kids fail i mean what i see nowadays parents are just overly trying to control

31:43.77

Howard Quiggly Chang

their future. They're trying to provide everything and it's it's natural. But sometimes I feel like when you let the kids fail, you know, you don't have to guide them every moment.

31:58.58

Howard Quiggly Chang

That's when they learn the most. And sometimes I feel like we humans in general need to fail. And sooner than later, we seek the Lord.

32:15.12

Jonathan Guerrero

I absolutely love that. And i will add to that. What we add the most as dads is that safety, that safety environment, that safe environment to fail where it is safe to fail, to experience that failure.

32:33.66

Jonathan Guerrero

So absolutely love what you said there. Howard, a huge, huge thank you Isaac, do you have anything before we close? Any thoughts? you good?

32:45.33

Jonathan Guerrero

Nope. All right. Well, thank you so much, Howard, for being on the Fatherhood Challenge. This was a really, really fun conversation.

32:53.56

Howard Quiggly Chang

I had a good time. i Hopefully we'll do another one when everything's available.

32:58.01

Jonathan Guerrero

um would love that.

32:59.22

Howard Quiggly Chang

Yeah.

32:59.45

Jonathan Guerrero

um so so i'm I'm so excited for when they are available.

33:03.54

Howard Quiggly Chang

very soon guys

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